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Wallabies 2020

Discussion in 'Rugby Discussion' started by A mutterer, Oct 19, 2019.

  1. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    It's hard to know without knowing what his budget was and whether any other stipulations were made on hires (such as being Australian).

    Mick Byrne is the only assistant he's had who could be remotely considered world class.

    Of course there's a reasonable chance that even with the right budget some of the right people wouldn't have wanted to work for Cheika.

    Rugby Australia needs to think long and hard about this issue though. We're clearly not going to have the budget to recruit whoever we want as head coach and then meet their hiring preferences for the assistants. We've got to work out what we need to spend to be competitive though.
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  2. Seb V Geoff Shaw (53)

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    Are you telling me both Jake White and Laurie Fisher are available? Now I'm excited!!!!!!!!!!
  3. cyclopath Phil Waugh (73)

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    I don't think anyone here really knows if they are :-
    a) Truly available
    b) Interested
    All else is speculation. I'd believe it if either openly stated they were available and interested.
  4. Adam84 Colin Windon (37)

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    I rate the Reds and Brumbies assistant coaches better then the Wallabies
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  5. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    Would they stand up at test level though?

    I think Laurie Fisher would and perhaps he's not interested in a test role. Arguably Simon Rawalui is the best performed of the Wallabies assistant coaches though. Our forwards were generally good and our set piece was the best overall it has been for years.

    Nathan Grey was the most maligned of our coaches over the last few years and he won a Super Rugby title as an assistant.

    We seem to think lots of people at lower levels are superstars and would be the best person for the job at test level until we find out they absolutely would not.
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  6. Lorenzo Trevor Allan (34)

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    Its gonna be a leap of faith, for sure.

    But that is pro sport. When the current guy(s) ain't getting it done, you get someone else. Rinse and repeat until you find the formula that works.
  7. wamberal Simon Poidevin (60)

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    What about Jake White?
  8. Jimmy_Crouch Dave Cowper (27)

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    What has he done since he left the Brums seven years ago? Yes, I can google and follow rugby so I know where he has been but I don't know what he has done to be in the conversation.
  9. Brumbieman John Solomon (38)

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    Agreed - and all that equally applies to Rennie as HC, precisely why I want him to be JW's attack coach for a couple of years. Realistically, JW would be able to essentially oversee Rennie's program and help/correct him when he needs it, as well as provide his rugby IQ, all in a role that both men would have a clear understanding of, both their roles and the whole point of why's it actually best for Rennie.


    Agreed on other posters comments though that JW hasn't been around much for a while.
  10. Derpus Mark Ella (57)

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    If Rennie does take the job he's a brave man. Taking the step up to test rugby with the Wallabies and the basket case that is RA. I'd think twice.
  11. Lorenzo Trevor Allan (34)

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    Really? I think this is the best opportunity going around, simply because the current guy has underperformed so obviously.

    You come in, get these guys following basic rugby principles and there's a 10% winning percentage uplift right there. Look like a bloody guru!
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  12. cyclopath Phil Waugh (73)

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    110% of 45% or whatever is still under 50%!! But I agree with you. Certainly an opportunity.
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  13. Adam84 Colin Windon (37)

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    It’s debatable whether Nathan Grey was ever up to it to start with, Nathan Gray was defensive coach of the Waratahs when they conceded 522 points in the 2017 season, 200 more points then the Brumbies and 4th worst in the competition overall.

    Im sure there were plenty on here that questioned that appointment to start with.
  14. RedsHappy Geoff Shaw (53)

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    Yes.

    Two things are for sure: One, RA, the Wallabies, Australian rugby as a whole, simply cannot afford a line of mediocre-to-awful Wallaby continuity from 2008 on that painfully inflects in 2019 and, best case, as trend, does not improve at all, or worst case, deteriorates further downward from 2018's and 2019's lows. There cannot be any more consistent performance down-trend lines and vast annual volatility in Wallaby w-l % terms, there simply must be some marked improvement in sustained Wallaby outcomes or the code here will be seriously imperilled and there may be no arriving saviour. (It's conceivable that it all maybe too late in any event, too many debacles and, for paying fans and media buyers and other sponsors, just too many now deadened hopes and broken promises.)

    Two, all of the the available data from the last decade shows clearly, unambiguously, that the quality of elite coaching in pro rugby really, really, really matters in terms of delivering truly high performance, fan-building, and thus $ income building, team outcomes.

    Accordingly RA had better find the funds from its not inconsiderable cash overheads to assemble the very best possible total new coaching team for the Wallabies as it clearly has only one more shot at getting this right, it has blown far too many chances to do so and we are at last chance saloon time, loud and fucking clear.

    Finding, and not constraining, these funds - versus the strategically crazy model of 'who can we get for our badly constrained $ budget' - for the right coaching group is a thus a RA crucial priority, perhaps the crucial priority. The Rugby Foundation should wisely cease its quiet subsidisation of strategically ill-considered elite player salary packages and get its outlay priorities onto funding RA's ability to fund and support the very best possible elite rugby coaching group for the Wallabies.
  15. RedsHappy Geoff Shaw (53)

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    I do agree Derpus that is certainly an issue for the best candidates. And we assuredly don't need new Wallaby coaches that 'just want a job'.

    I also wonder just how inspiring would be a 3 hour interview with Clyne and Castles. (I suspect the uniquely qualified Dismal Pillock may have some appropriate GIFs and lurid descriptions for such an event.)

    On second thoughts, I'm not sure I even want to think about such a moment in time, it is not an uplifting prospect.
  16. Lost Ward Prentice (10)

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    The whole Mick Byrne thing is wearing a bit thin. Where is the evidence of this world class capability??
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  17. Derpus Mark Ella (57)

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    In NZ he was polishing roughly cut diamonds - here he is polishing low fiber turds.
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  18. Lost Ward Prentice (10)

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    Hard to reconcile the supposed superior skill coaching available and see a team so poor at catch pass tackle kick

    If thats what we need get the crew working with Japan, that is execution of skill under pressure

    We are nowhere in comparative execution.
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  19. Lorenzo Trevor Allan (34)

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    Tough to notice an improvement in kicking when the coach doesn't believe in it.
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  20. A mutterer Nev Cottrell (35)

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    Or when he walks past a hill and thinks "fuck that skills training right off. call the lads, i've found a new hill"
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