Wallabies v All Blacks, Saturday 19th August, ANZ Stadium Sydney

[jimmydubs]

Is it not reasonable that it was both and now that the fitness issue is resolved it's just Cheika and Grey's shortcomings?

The extra fitness work is done now. None of them are trying to argue that the players are still not fit enough or that they didn't have adequate preparation time.

I guess so but given there's been no measureable improvement since June and they are now fit it's only fair to conclude the issue in June was 1% fitness and 99% Cheika/grey shortcomings?
Or is there some improvement I'm not seeing?
(apart from Beale giving some spark which I'm sure we can agree his arrival is unrelated to the fitness levels of the squad)

 

[KOB1987]

I guess so but given there's been no measureable improvement since June and they are now fit it's only fair to conclude the issue in June was 1% fitness and 99% Cheika/grey shortcomings?
Or is there some improvement I'm not seeing?
(apart from Beale giving some spark which I'm sure we can agree his arrival is unrelated to the fitness levels of the squad)

That's the thing, it's impossible to measure where we are at based on playing the All Blacks once. We clearly aren't number 1. We sit at about 4th in the world right now and are performing in line with that. Obviously the aim is to make the RWC final again in 2019, that's still a possibility even with the current setup but we aren't going to know where we are at until we play the Saffas and then England on the EOYT. I'm not confident at this stage, what I'm saying is we just can't tell because the ABs are so far ahead of the pack and will put 50 on the other two teams in the RC as well.

 

[tragic]

D

That's the thing, it's impossible to measure where we are at based on playing the All Blacks once. We clearly aren't number 1. We sit at about 4th in the world right now and are performing in line with that. Obviously the aim is to make the RWC final again in 2019, that's still a possibility even with the current setup but we aren't going to know where we are at until we play the Saffas and then England on the EOYT. I'm not confident at this stage, what I'm saying is we just can't tell because the ABs are so far ahead of the pack and will put 50 on the other two teams in the RC as well.

We dropped to 5th after the weekend.
The downward trajectory continues.

 

[Derpus]

That's the thing, it's impossible to measure where we are at based on playing the All Blacks once. We clearly aren't number 1. We sit at about 4th in the world right now and are performing in line with that. Obviously the aim is to make the RWC final again in 2019, that's still a possibility even with the current setup but we aren't going to know where we are at until we play the Saffas and then England on the EOYT. I'm not confident at this stage, what I'm saying is we just can't tell because the ABs are so far ahead of the pack and will put 50 on the other two teams in the RC as well.

The EOYT will be telling. I think if we end that at about 2/5 we can say we are probably worse than 4th. I genuinely think Scotland may have surpassed us. How far we fall really comes down to how much Argentina and France can get their shit together.

 

[Brumby Runner]

That's the thing, it's impossible to measure where we are at based on playing the All Blacks once. We clearly aren't number 1. We sit at about 4th in the world right now and are performing in line with that. Obviously the aim is to make the RWC final again in 2019, that's still a possibility even with the current setup but we aren't going to know where we are at until we play the Saffas and then England on the EOYT. I'm not confident at this stage, what I'm saying is we just can't tell because the ABs are so far ahead of the pack and will put 50 on the other two teams in the RC as well.

I can certainly see 50 points being put on the Argies, but I think the Saffas will be a whole lot closer than that. Only a converted try or two at most in it I believe.

I won't be surprised if the Saffas actually put 30 or more on the Wallabies the way both sides are playing atm.

My real concern is that we'll not get to see any change at all regardless of the results over the remainder of the RC or the EOYT. I foresee a situation arising after the EOYT when, despite maybe a host of international coaches becoming available, the cry will be that it is then too late to change horses before the RWC 2019. Why it wasn't time to get a new coaching panel in after the terrible results in June 2016, TRC 2016, EOYT 2016 and June 2017 is beyond me. How many failures must we endure?

 

[fatprop]

I guess so but given there's been no measureable improvement since June and they are now fit it's only fair to conclude the issue in June was 1% fitness and 99% Cheika/grey shortcomings?
Or is there some improvement I'm not seeing?
(apart from Beale giving some spark which I'm sure we can agree his arrival is unrelated to the fitness levels of the squad)

Up to about 10 minutes I thought we were looking pretty good in attack, then the wheels fell and we were raped until half time.

I think the better fitness base helped them finish better in the second half.

 

[KOB1987]

D

We dropped to 5th after the weekend.
The downward trajectory continues.

in fairness that was actually the Boks gaining some points and overtaking us, ours didn't change. No-one will lose points from being beaten by the ABs.

 

[Braveheart81]

Following an incident in The Rugby Championship match between Australia and New Zealand in Sydney on 19 August, SANZAAR initiated a HIA review after the Australian Rugby Union’s (ARU) Chief Medical Officer (CMO) brought the matter to SANZAAR’s attention as part of the usual post-match review. The footage showed a collision involving New Zealand player Sonny Bill Williams in the early stages of the match.

The review, involving all relevant match day and team medical staff, determined:

• The incident was not identified during the game via the appointed HIA specialist, the match day doctor, the team doctors or the match officials
• The available post-game video confirms ataxia, which would trigger immediate and permanent removal under World Rugby protocols
• While no process is entirely failsafe, the review panel determined that the missed HIA incident should have been identified during the match

 

[Braveheart81]

I can't believe we had a chance to get SBW dragged after 2 minutes and we missed it.

Silly CMO.

The production crew at the stadium should have put it on the big screen over and over again after the incident.

 

[Ignoto]

SBW should never have been in the 23 in the first place!

 

[TSR]

Who appoints the CMO? Any chance we could get Cheika appointed the CMO for the next game? I am pretty sure there were 10 + ABs in a state of delirium 30 minutes into the first game that should have been dragged and not allowed back on the field.
Player welfare needs to come first.

Edit: Cyclo - time to step up to an official capacity???

 

[cyclopath]

Who appoints the CMO? Any chance we could get Cheika appointed the CMO for the next game? I am pretty sure there were 10 + ABs in a state of delirium 30 minutes into the first game that should have been dragged and not allowed back on the field.
Player welfare needs to come first.

Edit: Cyclo - time to step up to an official capacity???

Strangely, at one point, my goal was Sports Medicine. But then I discovered how much fun surgery was.

 

[sidelineview]

I get all the criticism of the coaching staff but they cant run out onto the field and play the game for the players can they?

I mean it doesnt inspire a lot of confidence when a skills coach asks for patience for the Wallabies to learn how to catch and pass properly, but they should already know that. In fact, if young players are coached properly they should be fairly proficient at basic skills including tackling technique by the time they're in the U16s and then keep improving from there. But if they miss out on that basic good coaching they will struggle later when under pressure.

But still, the coaches cant do it for them.

It was disturbing to say the least to see the wide gap between the Wallabies and ABs last week but you cant put it all onto the coaches.

There's no reason to be confident about the next clash but I hope i end up with egg on my face after Saturday.

 

[jimmydubs]

Strangely, at one point, my goal was Sports Medicine. But then I discovered how much fun surgery was.

Should I be admiring you like your work or a little scared by that?

I'm the later to be honest

 

[cyclopath]

Should I be admiring you like your work or a little scared by that?

I'm the later to be honest

Ha ha, it's like any job, there are parts that are fun (actual surgery), parts that can go either way (consulting) and parts that drive you mad (anything to do with admin, public hospital administrators, private hospital administrators, just administrators.........you get the drift; Medicare bureaucrats etc...). When I got into it for the first bit I did not fully appreciate the other bits!

 

[TSR]

Ha ha, it's like any job, there are parts that are fun (actual surgery), parts that can go either way (consulting) and parts that drive you mad (anything to do with admin, public hospital administrators, private hospital administrators, just administrators...you get the drift; Medicare bureaucrats etc.). When I got into it for the first bit I did not fully appreciate the other bits!

So.....you just like to slice & dice????

 

[jimmydubs]

Ha ha, it's like any job, there are parts that are fun (actual surgery), parts that can go either way (consulting) and parts that drive you mad (anything to do with admin, public hospital administrators, private hospital administrators, just administrators...you get the drift; Medicare bureaucrats etc.). When I got into it for the first bit I did not fully appreciate the other bits!

Like any field it seems. Seems you can't even dodge infuriating administrators in rugby!

 

[wamberal]

I agree with this.

Interestingly, the same people who fast-tracked Hanigan and Horwitzand didn't want Michael Ala'atoa told Angus Crichton to come back when he was 23.

Go figure.

Maybe they knew that he had a loig offer in his back pocket. He was playing SG Ball apparently, while he was at Scots.


The latest news is that the Rorters have bought him for $700k a season.


It all sounds like JWH all over again. Yes, he would have loved to play our game, but only for a lot more money than we could have paid him.

 

[TOCC]

JWH played in the ARC for $5000 before league came knocking, he only needed an offer from uniom and he would still be in union


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[cyclopath]

I don't watch much League, but $700K is big coin for Crichton. He made a good choice - can't see he would be remotely near that in Rugby had things been otherwise. Amazing the Roosters have so much cream left in the pot to pay that!