Western Force 2013
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You would have to say, that on paper at the very least the Force have as good of a coaching setup if not better than all the other Australian teams. I however would not trade Link for anybody, but the sum of the parts are looking very very good.
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Alfred Walker (16)
A bit of background from The Oz - earlier this year:
www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/rugby-union/reds-lose-their-brilliant-mind/story-e6frg7o6-1226339236910
QUEENSLAND Reds coach Ewen McKenzie has lost one of his strongest support pillars with the sudden departure from Ballymore of Phillip "Chook" Fowler.
In the Super Rugby media guide, Fowler is listed as the Reds' strategy coach, but he has also acted as their psychologist and kicking coach.
A valuable coaching resource for McKenzie, Fowler had worked with him at the NSW Waratahs.
It is understood Fowler, known for his frankness, left after a difference of opinion over a player review.
"Phillip Fowler is not working with us any more," Reds chief executive Jim Carmichael said.
"He was not on the coaching staff.
"He was a contractor. He had a 30-day clause in his contract and we exercised it."
While Fowler was not technically a part of the Reds' coaching staff, he was arguably the most important member of McKenzie's support team.
A brilliant rugby mind, Fowler was instrumental in devising the game plans that helped the Reds win their maiden title last year.
www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/rugby-union/reds-lose-their-brilliant-mind/story-e6frg7o6-1226339236910
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Ward Prentice (10)
I was thinking the same thing - I don't think for a minute that they have the best head coach (can't make an argument that Foley is a better coach than Link or Jake White), but as a group you'd have to say they are as good or better than the other Australian franchises. Now for that quality #12 ...
On a separate note, I read that Rasolea failed his medical. Does that mean he is done and his offer torn up? Or does he get an opportunity to get fit/healthy? How does that work?
en_force_er
Geoff Shaw (53)
Failed his medical is pretty vague. If it means he misses part of preseason you'd imagine they'd deal with it but if he'll miss the whole season I'd imagine he'd get the flick.
The acquisition of Meehan is a coup. It is good to see more Aussie coaches who held elite coaching positions in Europe, like Cheika, McGahan and Meehan, come back home.
Meehan did a great job with Bath when it was in a situation much like the Force is in now. Inevitably, about 2 years ago, they went through a rough patch and later in the season brought in McGeechan as DOR above Meehan, then eased him out. Last season the great Lions coach took over as coach himself but could do no better with the cattle he had.
What happened to Meehan happens even to good coaches, as Cheika and McKenzie will attest to. The Force are lucky to have him.
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Meehan did a great job with Bath when it was in a situation much like the Force is in now. Inevitably, about 2 years ago, they went through a rough patch and later in the season brought in McGeechan as DOR above Meehan, then eased him out. Last season the great Lions coach took over as coach himself but could do no better with the cattle he had.
What happened to Meehan happens even to good coaches, as Cheika and McKenzie will attest to. The Force are lucky to have him.
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Geoff Shaw (53)
This is why it's so hard to work out who's a good coach but a victim of circumstance and who's an average coach but profiting off a good system.
Meehan seems the goods but he was forced out of Bath by McGeechan who is considered a very good coach but didn't have much more success (despite a more robust playing roster).
Only a few years ago Ewen had be squeezed out of both the Tahs and Stade Francis in a 3 year spell. Semantics aside, he's now considered to be the man who should be coaching Australia.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, unless you're an insider nobody knows who's a good or bad coach.
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Ken Catchpole (46)
It's a very good point.
I've always thought that Mooney's contribution to what the Queensland Reds are now is massively undervalued. He took on a team that was in dire straits and built the foundation that Link used to turn the Reds into a Championship winning team.
Conversely, Robbie Deans took over a successful Crusaders team with a roster chock-a-block full of stars.
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It's unfortunate Phil Mooney doesn't earn more recognition, his persistence with players like Genia, Quade and Horwill as captain set the team up for their 2011 success..
GaffaCHinO
Peter Sullivan (51)
Ben Seymour has been released from his contract.
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Peter Sullivan (51)
We tried a couple of years ago to get him when he was still in NZ but wanted to stay their then when he didnt get a contract he was snaped up by the reds. Its a shame if all fit and if quade stays someone is going to miss out next year at the reds.
thierry dusautoir
Alan Cameron (40)
Ebersohn and norton-knight can kick and tuitara is pretty classy and ready for the pro environment
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John Thornett (49)
I think the key word was Class in that post TD
The Force have had some bad luck with injuries, especially to their flyhalves, but they have made some poor decisions also.
In a way it is not their fault. If they are looking at players from the Shute Shield in Sydney for example, they have to assess a fellow for pro rugby on how he plays with and against inferior players competing at a level two grades down. Even the Tahs wouldn't be 100% sure about their own local players.
How much better it would have been been if they could top up their roster and EPS after looking at players in the Oz version of the ITM Cup - or to pencil them in for 2014.
With the poor depth we have in Oz, our Super teams can ill-afford to give precious contract spots or even EPS berths to dud players.
I know we can't afford such a competition and I know I am preaching to the converted, but had the ARC continued after 2007 I am convinced that Oz Super teams would have stronger rosters now.
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In a way it is not their fault. If they are looking at players from the Shute Shield in Sydney for example, they have to assess a fellow for pro rugby on how he plays with and against inferior players competing at a level two grades down. Even the Tahs wouldn't be 100% sure about their own local players.
How much better it would have been been if they could top up their roster and EPS after looking at players in the Oz version of the ITM Cup - or to pencil them in for 2014.
With the poor depth we have in Oz, our Super teams can ill-afford to give precious contract spots or even EPS berths to dud players.
I know we can't afford such a competition and I know I am preaching to the converted, but had the ARC continued after 2007 I am convinced that Oz Super teams would have stronger rosters now.
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thierry dusautoir
Alan Cameron (40)
Let me be clear then I. Have seen tuitara play multiple times and he is very classy and the answer I feel. Ebersohn and tuitara are the answer the force seek
thierry dusautoir
Alan Cameron (40)
I would be willing to bet a name change on it
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