Derpus
George Gregan (70)
Meh, even if he doesnt i wouldnt have been wrong.
Reds 2019
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Mark Ella (57)
I’m happy to see him given a 4 year coming contract.
Yeah - he could flop. It doesn’t look likely to me, but there are no certainties.
He could just as easily get much better again and command more money/more attention next time round.
As far as I have read he attracted a fair bit of interest - both from other teams and league. Would I rather the Reds yield to market forces based on what they know - ie that he had a bloody good year and looks every bit a long term starter - or that they run the gauntlet with a lessor offer and he goes the way of Banks. I’ll take the former - but acknowledge it’s not without risks.
Yeah - he could flop. It doesn’t look likely to me, but there are no certainties.
He could just as easily get much better again and command more money/more attention next time round.
As far as I have read he attracted a fair bit of interest - both from other teams and league. Would I rather the Reds yield to market forces based on what they know - ie that he had a bloody good year and looks every bit a long term starter - or that they run the gauntlet with a lessor offer and he goes the way of Banks. I’ll take the former - but acknowledge it’s not without risks.
kiap
Steve Williams (59)
The assumption is that he's not on a rate of 1m+ a year.
Or is he?
Because if he's not a long, long way south of that figure then his signing would be more daft than the Pooper madness.
Given old mate Cordingley at the Reds has no more than 12 cents to rub together, that's the assumption.
(Alternatively, maybe there's method to the madness: Sign him up big for hooperdollarz and take a punt. If the Reds go bust after 2020 then there's no need to pay out the back end. Genius!)
Or is he?
Because if he's not a long, long way south of that figure then his signing would be more daft than the Pooper madness.
Given old mate Cordingley at the Reds has no more than 12 cents to rub together, that's the assumption.
(Alternatively, maybe there's method to the madness: Sign him up big for hooperdollarz and take a punt. If the Reds go bust after 2020 then there's no need to pay out the back end. Genius!)
USARugger
John Thornett (49)
Based on what he’s shown so far, yeah.
Our backline defense has been crap for a while and Petaia shows a level of maturity in his positioning and reads at 13 that totally outstrips his age. Not to say anything of his attacking ability, where he’s definitely no slouch either.
This also saves the club a considerable amount of cash for when in 1-2 years NSW comes banging on his door to cover their center depth issues
I don't think anyone complained about AAA's long term contract. I don't think many are complaining about this one.
Hooper caused much gnashing of teeth but he's a divisive player. That's understandable.
As was suggested above our backrow signing is Fraser McReight (2 years) and the front rower is Gavin Luka (1 year).
http://www.redsrugby.com.au/News/Ne...Reds-sign-Fraser-McReight-and-Gavin-Luka.aspx
http://www.redsrugby.com.au/News/Ne...Reds-sign-Fraser-McReight-and-Gavin-Luka.aspx
WorkingClassRugger
David Codey (61)
Luke Beauchamp has signed with Houston in MLR. Any good?
solid. Decent performer in NRC in the past. That's about his level. Very experienced club player.
The Nomad
Bob Davidson (42)
Think the main issue with Hooper's 5 year contract is what it potentially does for any up and coming 7 in the country, take the Liam Gill option and head OS as you feel the pathway at home is blocked.
Bit different with an up and comer who is not considered top of the food chain. ( assuming he is not on massive money )
Four years a bit of a risk for both parties , could flop ( unlikely ) or could be the best in his position in another year and not getting paid enough .
Bit different with an up and comer who is not considered top of the food chain. ( assuming he is not on massive money )
Four years a bit of a risk for both parties , could flop ( unlikely ) or could be the best in his position in another year and not getting paid enough .
Derpus
George Gregan (70)
If this eventuates i don't see how it's any different to the Hooper situation (or Folau, or AAA, etc). Would clearly be the incumbent for however many years to come.
Reg is right, it's just because Hooper is divisive.
sunnyboys
Bob Loudon (25)
For me the Hooper and Folau signings were a concern because of their age AND because of the size of the RA top up they command. I would think AAA and Petaia would not have a top up anywhere near the size of Hooper/Folau. So the risk with the AAA/Petaia signings sits largely with the Brumbies/Reds. And these two guys will be decent super rugby players even though their form my fluctuate. Also their signings don't scream to other contenders that the pathway is blocked.
With Hooper/Folau the risk sits very much RA - form at the top level can be harder to maintain - but the size of the investment almost means the Wallabies have to play them - otherwise we are in Quade 2.0 territory. and for this reason it also means others would see the pathway blocked.
on top of this the super teams have a better view of who their coaches will be - Wallabies will be recruiting a new coach in 2019 and no one knows what direction that coach will take - again leading us to a Quade 2.0 scenario, albeit where Hooper/Folau are receiving RA top ups to just play Super rugby for potentially 2 or 3 years.
With Hooper/Folau the risk sits very much RA - form at the top level can be harder to maintain - but the size of the investment almost means the Wallabies have to play them - otherwise we are in Quade 2.0 territory. and for this reason it also means others would see the pathway blocked.
on top of this the super teams have a better view of who their coaches will be - Wallabies will be recruiting a new coach in 2019 and no one knows what direction that coach will take - again leading us to a Quade 2.0 scenario, albeit where Hooper/Folau are receiving RA top ups to just play Super rugby for potentially 2 or 3 years.
sunnyboys
Bob Loudon (25)
On the "TBA" holes in the Reds squad at the time of announcement - not one of the subsequent announcements has strengthened the squad.
This is an incredibly young and green squad. For them to have success in the next 2 years they will have to prove to be a squad of incredibly talented and capable young men.
There's a mountain to climb.
This is an incredibly young and green squad. For them to have success in the next 2 years they will have to prove to be a squad of incredibly talented and capable young men.
There's a mountain to climb.
Jimmy_Crouch
Ken Catchpole (46)
Biggest issue a few years back is RA was paying for guys like Phill Waugh after signing him to a long term contract but he hadn't played for the Wallabies for a couple of years. He had a huge amount of worth to NSW but not RA and therefore they shouldn't have to pay for it.
Derpus
George Gregan (70)
First choice tighthead wouldn't be on much less than Folau or Hooper.
Jimmy_Crouch
Ken Catchpole (46)
It's also worth noting that these aren't pure rugby playing arrangements. Despite what you or I think about his religious views Israel Folau is the Wallabies most marketable player.
Derpus
George Gregan (70)
Captain and most marketable player should get the most money.
It's just because people don't like Hooper.
This speculation is kinda pointless without exact sums anyway. We are comparing unknowns.
sunnyboys
Bob Loudon (25)
Derpus, totally agree that as Captain and most marketable player they should get more top up. I certainly wouldnt think AAA commands a top up anywhere near Hooper/Folau.
my point was more about their ability to maintain performance over the length of the contract, given their respective ages - and that an imminent change of coach can also carry risk. those issue need to weighed against the relative size of their top ups. Nothing to do with them as people.
my point was more about their ability to maintain performance over the length of the contract, given their respective ages - and that an imminent change of coach can also carry risk. those issue need to weighed against the relative size of their top ups. Nothing to do with them as people.