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Wallabies 2023

Jimmyjam

Watty Friend (18)
I think it's a massive stretch calling Cooper or JOC (James O'Connor) (James O'Connor) world class, I don't think they get selected at flyhalf in any world XV teams.

I'll be interested to see how Kerevi's form matches up at test level this year. I watched a few Suntory games and he probably wasn't as dominate as I'd expect.
Kerevi was playing 13 and didn't get many touches unfortunately, different story as a 12 I'd think.
 

Tah Man

Larry Dwyer (12)
Kerevi is pretty handy, but we have a couple of other pretty handy 12s coming along at the moment.

Apparently he is only going to miss the two match tour of Argentina through Comm games commitments, but agree gives us a chance to give solid game time to the likes of Paisami or Foketi
 

Derpus

George Gregan (70)
So with the Bob Dwyer view that you need at least 5 world class players to win a RWC, how are we tracking for 2023?

IMO you can make a case for more than 5...

Tupou
Bell... (if not now, very soon.)
R Arnold ( was, can't speak about current o/s form)
Hooper
Valetini... (on current form)

Koroibete
Kerevi

Cooper and JOC (James O'Connor) (James O'Connor) fit and in form are also world class, but could be a bridge too far.
Tupou, Hooper and potentially Kerevi. I think there are better players around than the rest. And I say that with Aussie bias.

There are many locks I'd pick ahead of Arnold for a world 15.

Bell and Valetini have potential but nothing like the runs on the board needed be considered best in the world.
 
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Dctarget

John Eales (66)
Y'all sleeping on Koroibete. Best wing in the world. I think Tupou has slid down the rankings in the past year. Too injured/liability/forcing it. Probably behind Tadgh Furlong at least. I would have Hooper & Koroibete start. Kerevi, Skelton & Tupou on the bench.

Also on the Kerevi playing comm games exemption thing. Surely it doesn't matter? The coach does want he wants, doesn't need to play tiddlywinks to get players in or not.
 

PhilClinton

Geoff Shaw (53)
Also on the Kerevi playing comm games exemption thing. Surely it doesn't matter? The coach does want he wants, doesn't need to play tiddlywinks to get players in or not.
I agree with you - but as far as the optics are concerned, Australia has a foreign selection policy.

I am not sure they'll bend that too much this year considering they just announced the changes to it. I don't expect it to be enforced when push comes to shove before the RWC though.
 

Slim 293

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Tupou, Hooper and potentially Kerevi. I think there are better players around than the rest. And I say that with Aussie bias.

There are many locks I'd pick ahead of Arnold for a world 15.

Bell and Valetini have potential but nothing like the runs on the board needed be considered best in the world.

TBF, Tupou hasn't always been the Wallabies first choice TH prop the past couple of years...
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
Staff member
Starting prop choice is arguing about 5-10 minutes of playing time

The decision to pick TT as a "finisher" is more about leveraging his dynamism around the field against tiring opposition than his ability to start a test match
 

Slim 293

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Starting prop choice is arguing about 5-10 minutes of playing time

The decision to pick TT as a "finisher" is more about leveraging his dynamism around the field against tiring opposition than his ability to start a test match

It was certainly partly that, and partly because the impact he did provide did not make up for his lack of workrate in a number of tests...

I probably would've had him start against Scotland to set the tone in the scrums though.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
Staff member
It was certainly partly that, and partly because the impact he did provide did not make up for his lack of workrate in a number of tests...
He had an early year where he struggled to balance test level scrummaging and work rate, but that was ages ago and now he is the dogs bollocks
 

RebelYell

Arch Winning (36)
Wallabies:
Bell, Fainga'a Tupou, Rodda, Swain, Leota, Hooper, Valetini, White, JOC (James O'Connor), Kerevi, Ikitau, Koroibete, Kellaway, Banks.
Porecki, Slipper, Allan, Holloway McReight, Tate, Quade, Petaia.
Reserves (with team): Kaitu'u, Sio, Philip, Samu, Gordon, Hodge, Wright, Paisami.

Australia A:
HJH (Harry Johnson-Holmes), Lonergan, Eloff, Frost, Neville, Hanigan, Wright, Wilson, Lonergan, Lolesio, Vunivalu, Foketi, Perese, Daugunu, Campbell.
Pollard, Robertson, Pone, R.Smith, Harris, Tuttle, Pasitoa, Muirhead
Reserves (with team): McInerney, Gibbon, Hooper, Uru, Fines, Gordon, Donaldson, Stewart, Pietsch
 

Marce

John Thornett (49)
Apparently he is only going to miss the two match tour of Argentina through Comm games commitments, but agree gives us a chance to give solid game time to the likes of Paisami or Foketi
You don't have a second option without Kerevi. Perese could be but not at the same level and Paisami is a good Super Rugby player, not test level yet, he's too small to play at 12 at international level.

Last year when Kerevi couldn't play the team was very different
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
Staff member
I thought I might as well have a go

Thoughts?

Keep Tate & JOC (James O'Connor) together for their combination finishing a test
Let Bell finish to provide some dynamism as Topou finishes
Porecki is our best lineout unit, so he starts
Wilson over Leota is about dynamism and mobility
Petaia is a hope and a prayer - immense talent, but flawed

Slipper,
Porecki
Tupou,
Rodda,
Philip
Valetini
Hooper,
Wilson
White,
Quade
Koroibete,
Kerevi,
Ikitau,
Kellaway,
Petaia

Fainga'a
Bell,
AAA,
Swain
Leota,
Tate,
JOC (James O'Connor).
Perese.
 

RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
Staff member
makes a lot of sense that team. I'd probably have Swain start because I think he's our best option at countering the Poms at the lineout and maul. I don't think Philip is up to it at test level. Works hard in attack but with Valetini, Wilson, Hooper and Tupou there we don't need that. Bench at best for me.
 

dru

Tim Horan (67)
Got to agree here, the thinking is good FP. I might expand the combination thinking and consider Paisami ahead of Perese but there are plenty of reasons not to. How solid is that back three for kicking? I can't recall Kellaway's ability under stress with the boot. Maybe not Paisami/Perese at 23 but someone like Hodge. Yeah I know dodgy, but it's good to have a 23 who is strong in the centres and wing and can kick. 10 is not an issue with JOC (James O'Connor) on the pine. I guess JOC (James O'Connor) covers 15. and the centres. So back to Perese at 23.

Also probably worth considering a 6/2 alternative against the POMS. Reserve backs remain Tate and JOC (James O'Connor) but which forward makes the cut?
 

Wallaby Man

Trevor Allan (34)
I thought I might as well have a go

Thoughts?

Keep Tate & JOC (James O'Connor) (James O'Connor) together for their combination finishing a test
Let Bell finish to provide some dynamism as Topou finishes
Porecki is our best lineout unit, so he starts
Wilson over Leota is about dynamism and mobility
Petaia is a hope and a prayer - immense talent, but flawed

Slipper,
Porecki
Tupou,
Rodda,
Philip
Valetini
Hooper,
Wilson
White,
Quade
Koroibete,
Kerevi,
Ikitau,
Kellaway,
Petaia

Fainga'a
Bell,
AAA,
Swain
Leota,
Tate,
JOC (James O'Connor) (James O'Connor).
Perese.
Wilson is more mobile than Leota but not more Dynamic. He’s considerably more likely to bounce a defender. If we are looking for a work rate forward it’ll be Wilson but if Rennie is looking for someone to dominate the contact zone it will be Leota. Personally happy with either option.

Might come down to who is picked at lock, if it’s Rodda/Swain it might lean towards Leota, if it’s Rodda/Philip it might lean towards Wilson.
 
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