Beale and Cooper in boozy incident

[Garry Owen]

Still, I'm very surprised the Reds, Rebels and ARU haven't assigned an informal minder to rockstar players.

I've heard Joey Johns name mentioned a few times. Perhaps they're trialing him as the team minder?

 

[FANATIC]

On top of that they expect them to live by some sort of unofficial code that not one of us would have a bar of..........

Understand your argument here and in some way I do sympathize with it.
But, the absolute minimum accepted behavior must be to avoid breaching the one code that we all must live by, the criminal code.
Aussie sports men and women have always been a breed of their own but we can be ourselves without breaking the law. I am sure that our most famous binge drinking sports star Boonie, when breaking the drinking record on the 1989 Ashes journey to the UK, did not thump anyone.
Drinking is NOT a contact sport.

 

[Garry Owen]

These players use their public figure to sell products and earn more money through endorsements, of course they should be held responsible for their own actions.

Perhaps their sponsors will punish them by not renewing endorsement contracts?

With that in mind, I wonder what products would be comfortable with Cooper recommending them, given his lifestyle?

 

[FANATIC]

Perhaps their sponsors will punish them by not renewing endorsement contracts?

With that in mind, I wonder what products would be comfortable with Cooper recommending them, given his lifestyle?

Given his LifeStyle, may I suggest latex products.

 

[Garry Owen]

Understand your argument here and in some way I do sympathize with it.
But, the absolute minimum accepted behavior must be to avoid breaching the one code that we all must live by, the criminal code.

I don't know about minimum?

If I sat down in a work contract negotion and they put in place conditions about my conduct in public, well, if the money was good enough, I'd sign on the dotted line, and make changes to my lifestyle (as most pro-rugby players probably do).

But Quade, he's just not that clever. And burdened with a even sillier manager.

But then hey, I'm burdened with wisdom beyond my years. Winfield anyone?

 

[liquor box]

Not when you have the talent and proven hardwork to get the same pay from another employer.

The sum isn't important it is your relative value that is.

I think the sum IS the important thing, If Beale wants to play for a pie and beer for a country rugby team then go out and fight all he likes, if he want to earn big money then he has to play by some rules

 

[Nusadan]

Just noticed in the replay and having heard he was charged a hour before the Wales match, Beale was sitting with the Wallabies reserves.

Had it been NRL, he wouldn't have been allowed to do that!

Guess the dictum that 'innocent until proven guilty' is applied in the rugby circles.

 

[Scotty]

I think the sum IS the important thing, If Beale wants to play for a pie and beer for a country rugby team then go out and fight all he likes, if he want to earn big money then he has to play by some rules

Everyone should play by the rules of the land. The amount of money he is paid is not the primary consideration. The main issues are:

1. Our laws and if he has broken them
2. If he has disrespected another
3. If he has brought negative attention and damaged the standing of the game in this country

Money doesn't come into it - it is just a bi-product.

 

[Scotty]

Scotty, Quade smashed a camera, keep up.

Has he been charged as well?

Is the camera smashing confirmed?

 

[Scotty]

I'll say this to the people defending their actions as "just boys letting their hair down." How many times did players like Eales, Gregan, Larkham, etc get into bother at 2am? You don't have to get arrested to have fun. But maybe there's a few players in the side now that are a bit more thick than yesterday's heroes.

Loose cannons that you never really heard about include Finnegan and Roff.

Didn't George Smith also get into trouble in SA?

 

[TOCC]

Perhaps their sponsors will punish them by not renewing endorsement contracts?

With that in mind, I wonder what products would be comfortable with Cooper recommending them, given his lifestyle?

Perhaps...

But what about the implications at a Wallaby and Reds/Rebels level... St George, DaboDirect and QANTAS pay big money to have their name associated with the team and players who represent those teams, Quade Cooper and Kurtley Beale demand and happily accept big money to represent those teams.

To say that these players are not accountable for their actions 'outside of work' is crap, whether we like it or not, professional rugby has dawned upon us an era where your off-field actions are held nearly as accountable as your on-field actions. This is blatantly apparent through the numerous cases of sponsor either dumping or criticising a team due to players and officials off-field actions.

 

[p.Tah]

Perhaps.

But what about the implications at a Wallaby and Reds/Rebels level. St George, DaboDirect and QANTAS pay big money to have their name associated with the team and players who represent those teams

agree with that. I was in a meeting recently where a potential sponsor refused to be associated with a rival code because of off field indiscretions.

 

[TOCC]

agree with that. I was in a meeting recently where a potential sponsor refused to be associated with a rival code because of off field indiscretions.

I also remember that Harold Mitchell mentioned something as well in regards to himself being supportive of rugby union due to the lesser number of off-field dramas in comparison to the NRL and AFL.

 

[p.Tah]

What was interesting TOC was the person who made the decision not to sponsor was a woman. I think at times we say 'boys will be boys' but it's not always men who make these decisions and the 'boys will be boys' tags doesn't wash with them. There are now more and more females in business who call the shots.

 

[Sully]

Understand your argument here and in some way I do sympathize with it.
But, the absolute minimum accepted behavior must be to avoid breaching the one code that we all must live by, the criminal code.
Aussie sports men and women have always been a breed of their own but we can be ourselves without breaking the law. I am sure that our most famous binge drinking sports star Boonie, when breaking the drinking record on the 1989 Ashes journey to the UK, did not thump anyone.
Drinking is NOT a contact sport.

There is another code we all live by. Innocent until proven guilty.

 

[Slim 293]

Loose cannons that you never really heard about include Finnegan and Roff.

Didn't George Smith also get into trouble in SA?

Nah, George thumped a guy in Canberra who harassed his girlfriend.......

 

[waratahjesus]

Just going by the article, the suggestion that the ARU inquiry is "on hold" til the police matter is dealt with. Does that mean that the ARU finding will now mirror the police finding, letting them do the work?

 

[TOCC]

Just going by the article, the suggestion that the ARU inquiry is "on hold" til the police matter is dealt with. Does that mean that the ARU finding will now mirror the police finding, letting them do the work?

So it appears.... isn't that the sensible outcome though?

 

[waratahjesus]

So it appears.. isn't that the sensible outcome though?

Yes and no, I guess what I'm asking is if the ARU will do anything if the criminal charge doesn't stick. Does the ARU code of conduct not cover a stricter measure of acceptable behavior?

 

[TOCC]

What was interesting TOC was the person who made the decision not to sponsor was a woman. I think at times we say 'boys will be boys' but it's not always men who make these decisions and the 'boys will be boys' tags doesn't wash with them. There are now more and more females in business who call the shots.

Not surprising at all really, the world is becoming more and more politically correct, the rise in social networking and mobiles with cameras etc is expediting this process...

Players need to be cognisant of their surroundings and actions, their is a time to play up and a time to behave.
If i were the ARU i would be factoring in misdemeanour penalties as a blanket clause across all Wallabies, with a added focus on repeat offenders.

Im not talking about a slap on the wrist, rather serious financial fines and suspensions.