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Stirling Mortlock (74)
Because of Quade? I highly doubt it.
Quade telling it how it is
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Because of Quade? I highly doubt it.
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Knitter of the Scarf
Charger (and everyone else commeding the ARU on holding on to such a good player) - you're saying there's one standard for Quade and one for Pat McCabe. I can't tell you ridiculous that is.
Give me Pedestrian Pat any day of the week. The Crusaders won titles with Caleb Ralph. We need a champion team, not a team of dickheads.
Anyway, I've had a few and I'm missing the old days. I might watch the 1991 semi-final again and fall asleep with a beer in my hand. Everyone who disagrees with me, fuck off!
Give me Pedestrian Pat any day of the week. The Crusaders won titles with Caleb Ralph. We need a champion team, not a team of dickheads.
Anyway, I've had a few and I'm missing the old days. I might watch the 1991 semi-final again and fall asleep with a beer in my hand. Everyone who disagrees with me, fuck off!
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Dick Tooth (41)
I suppose I should probably offer an actual opinion!
I think it just about right. Its hefty, and sends a clear warning to everyone about being professional.
However, its not too harsh, and whilst I dont agree about him using twitter, I think it may have literally been a last resort. He was clearly frustrated as all hell playing under Deans, you can see it in his face.
I also think he's 100% right. What he mentioned about injury management is alarming, yet explains a shitload. Why was he not picked (judged not fit/ready) for the first Bledisloe, yet a week later he's thrown into the STARTING side, with no extra rehab or significant fitness gains? Deans threw him to the wolves, hoping he'd bottle it and give him an excuse to drop him. I read that as Cooper providing input behind the scenes, probably for the last few years, and being ignored. Deans certainly has a history for that, as well as brainless tactics and selections. EG McCabe last year. Terrible! If he wanted a hard running, direct 12 who tackles like a starving animal, why the hell was Fainga'a not picked? He'd played with Cooper for 3 years at club and Super level, and knew how to play alongside him better than anyone else in Aus. Yet Deans picks and outside back who had passed the ball less frequently then the referee all year, plays him at 12, and then Fainga'a OUTSIDE McCabe?! The fuck? 2010 we were FINALLY starting to click as a backline, and winning consistently by playing attacking rugby with Cooper the general, and yet AT the world cup he changes the entire focus of the team, the style of play, picks an unknown , inexperienced play and plonks him right in an important position. Then tells Cooper to play defensive kicking rugby.
I see the whole thing as Quade finally snapping after being treated like shit, and not being made to feel like a valued member of the side. If he was average and not much more than a solid at best player capable of filling a hole when better players are injured (like some of our options at 10 ), then it would be different. However, Link has rated him as one of the best tactical, rugby brained players he's ever coached. He's also a magnificent drawcard for the Reds, and the work that he puts in off the field is 2nd to hardly anyone. He sticks around at Suncorp well after each game, signing things for the fans, posing for photos, talking to them, playing touch footy with clubs everywhere he goes (2011, before the Stormers game [where he out-saffered the saffers at kicking and territory] he was out playing touch footy in some local comp, for fun and fitness), and is a genuine crowd puller. People want to see him fire and tear teams apart. In a time when rugby here is struggling to pull the big crowds, he's the kind of player that is hugely valuable to Aussie rugby.
And whats more, i'm glad that at least SOMEONE appears to genuinely hate losing to New Zealand!
Unfortunately, he's not very eloquent, and the timing of it all was very poor. His ballsy decision to go on live tv, and attempt to explain his point of view backfired spectacularly, as he didn't have the ability to properly explain what he meant. The whole "i'd turn down the jersey" thing was explained by the Reds boss: his mind and confidence were shot, and it was affecting the team, so he'd have refused to play on the basis of it being detrimental to the team. A VERY different scenario to what everyone received it as!
Things would have been significantly different, I think, if he'd written an article instead, and had Link/Carmichael etc proof read it first and explain how his opinions would be interpreted, and its a crying shame he didn't.
However, in the meantime i'm getting seriously fucking tired of reading the same bullshit, uninformed dribble, and the fickle forgetful nature of our 'fans'.
Its done. He's apologised, been fined, stopped venting on twitter, and is focussed on moving forward and actually getting the Wallabies to WIN. I do miss when we did that.
So I would suggest we all shut up and do the same, there's a fecking LIONS series next year!
I think it just about right. Its hefty, and sends a clear warning to everyone about being professional.
However, its not too harsh, and whilst I dont agree about him using twitter, I think it may have literally been a last resort. He was clearly frustrated as all hell playing under Deans, you can see it in his face.
I also think he's 100% right. What he mentioned about injury management is alarming, yet explains a shitload. Why was he not picked (judged not fit/ready) for the first Bledisloe, yet a week later he's thrown into the STARTING side, with no extra rehab or significant fitness gains? Deans threw him to the wolves, hoping he'd bottle it and give him an excuse to drop him. I read that as Cooper providing input behind the scenes, probably for the last few years, and being ignored. Deans certainly has a history for that, as well as brainless tactics and selections. EG McCabe last year. Terrible! If he wanted a hard running, direct 12 who tackles like a starving animal, why the hell was Fainga'a not picked? He'd played with Cooper for 3 years at club and Super level, and knew how to play alongside him better than anyone else in Aus. Yet Deans picks and outside back who had passed the ball less frequently then the referee all year, plays him at 12, and then Fainga'a OUTSIDE McCabe?! The fuck? 2010 we were FINALLY starting to click as a backline, and winning consistently by playing attacking rugby with Cooper the general, and yet AT the world cup he changes the entire focus of the team, the style of play, picks an unknown , inexperienced play and plonks him right in an important position. Then tells Cooper to play defensive kicking rugby.
I see the whole thing as Quade finally snapping after being treated like shit, and not being made to feel like a valued member of the side. If he was average and not much more than a solid at best player capable of filling a hole when better players are injured (like some of our options at 10 ), then it would be different. However, Link has rated him as one of the best tactical, rugby brained players he's ever coached. He's also a magnificent drawcard for the Reds, and the work that he puts in off the field is 2nd to hardly anyone. He sticks around at Suncorp well after each game, signing things for the fans, posing for photos, talking to them, playing touch footy with clubs everywhere he goes (2011, before the Stormers game [where he out-saffered the saffers at kicking and territory] he was out playing touch footy in some local comp, for fun and fitness), and is a genuine crowd puller. People want to see him fire and tear teams apart. In a time when rugby here is struggling to pull the big crowds, he's the kind of player that is hugely valuable to Aussie rugby.
And whats more, i'm glad that at least SOMEONE appears to genuinely hate losing to New Zealand!
Unfortunately, he's not very eloquent, and the timing of it all was very poor. His ballsy decision to go on live tv, and attempt to explain his point of view backfired spectacularly, as he didn't have the ability to properly explain what he meant. The whole "i'd turn down the jersey" thing was explained by the Reds boss: his mind and confidence were shot, and it was affecting the team, so he'd have refused to play on the basis of it being detrimental to the team. A VERY different scenario to what everyone received it as!
Things would have been significantly different, I think, if he'd written an article instead, and had Link/Carmichael etc proof read it first and explain how his opinions would be interpreted, and its a crying shame he didn't.
However, in the meantime i'm getting seriously fucking tired of reading the same bullshit, uninformed dribble, and the fickle forgetful nature of our 'fans'.
Its done. He's apologised, been fined, stopped venting on twitter, and is focussed on moving forward and actually getting the Wallabies to WIN. I do miss when we did that.
So I would suggest we all shut up and do the same, there's a fecking LIONS series next year!
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Mark Loane (55)
I never mentioned Pat McCabe or any other player? I was commenting on Quade and his punishment. I hope if Pat did something as stupid as Quade did he would be given another shot. But the ARU doesn't have the luxury of cutting off their nose to spite their face. A good compromise usually leaves everyone unhappy.
But I can appreciate the sentiment in the rest of your post.
Brumbieman
Dick Tooth (41)
Haha well played. That is another matter totally...
I should add: McCabe has been great this year, and his distribution game has improved exponentially.
It was still a brainless and potentially WC costing decision to introduce him straight into a position he'd never played before, weeks before a world cup held in NEW ZEALAND. Terribly disruptive.
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
Problem right there. 2010 was not a great time for Aus rugby. We were not winning consistently. We lost to England twice. Lost to the ABs 3 times. Scored a shitload of points but conceded a shitload of points. The loss at Twickers was one of the worst this decade. England ran riot and why? Horrible fucking defence by the backline. Passive tackling, lack of size and will to make the dominant tackles. Their backrow had a field day, Lawes, Croft, Moody, Easter carved us up. Same in Pretoria, we lost after leading 20-0 or something, the same nearly happened in Bloem the following week. This kind of high tempo, brazen attack style of rugby does not win WC. This is undeniable when you look at the kind of rugby played from the knockout onwards.
In 2011 SOMETHING had to be done if we were to have a shot at winning the WC, the Wallabies' 2010 style of play would not win us a WC. Robbie identified this problem. He got rid of Gits at 12 who whilst not a weak defender is not a strong one. He doesn't put people on their ass, he's passive. Whether the 12 should've been McCabe or Fainga'a who cares they're the same type of play. FWIW, I think McCabe is the better option as he's more direct and stronger in contact. Robbie implemented the right change and kept Quade there. Quade couldn't make it work, he lost the plot whenever the pressure was applied. He made catastrophic errors. Numerous intercepts, even against Russia ffs. We lost the semi as soon as he started the game by kicking the ball out on the full.
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Dick Tooth (41)
That's my point. In 2009, 2010, 2011 and even this year, i've been ranting about the importance of having defensively strong players to counter the attackers.
However, McCabe was not the right option last year. If he'd even put Fainga'a at 12 and McCabe at 13, it would have been better. Playing someone who passed it 3 times in the entire world cup was stupid. If you want to change something like that, at least pick a player who's MET his flyhalf before!
However, McCabe was not the right option last year. If he'd even put Fainga'a at 12 and McCabe at 13, it would have been better. Playing someone who passed it 3 times in the entire world cup was stupid. If you want to change something like that, at least pick a player who's MET his flyhalf before!
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David Codey (61)
He has been average, and not much more than solid at TEST LEVEL for a couple of years.
The point about him out-saffering the saffers is interesting.
Why can he play a defensive game well at provincial level, but is incapable at Test level?
Could it have more to do with less time/more pressure at Test level, rather than the coaching as some of the believers would say?
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Peter Johnson (47)
Fair punishment I reckon. Quade doesn't earn as much as many of us seem to think, 40k is still a lot of money, and with a 2 year good behaviour bond on top.
I said many pages back that of his statements the only thing I disagreed with was quade saying he'd turn down a wallabies jersey. That's a drop-able offence in my book - but it is a moot point as he was injured anyway.
I'd like to see him earn back his wallabies jersey. I think regardless of who is coach, getting back into the team will be a lot harder for quade this time around; and if he makes back I think he will be a much better person and player as a result.
I said many pages back that of his statements the only thing I disagreed with was quade saying he'd turn down a wallabies jersey. That's a drop-able offence in my book - but it is a moot point as he was injured anyway.
I'd like to see him earn back his wallabies jersey. I think regardless of who is coach, getting back into the team will be a lot harder for quade this time around; and if he makes back I think he will be a much better person and player as a result.
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Alex Ross (28)
Caleb Ralph was the finest athlete the game has ever seen, and frankly it was an outrage that the ABs ever picked that Tongan bloke over him.
I thought Quade seemed very contrite. That's a pretty significant fine, and the real fine is the (probably temporary) loss of an ARU top up. Hopefully this ends the matter, and these boards can go back to being the John Roe appreciation society that they were intended to be.
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
The 3 weeks will be automatic when (!) he next gets in trouble + they will have another hearing and impose a penalty for that as well.
Presumably priors count in fixing his penalty for the inevitable, it seems, next indiscretion.
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John Solomon (38)
I was really upset when he dissed that ARU sanctioned game. I was at my local afterwards and thats all me mates were talking about.
And my kid came home from school and threw his playstation in the bin, he said if Quade didn't think it was any good, then f*ck it, which was disappointing because he's 5.
Kids a problem, he seems to like the waratahs more than the reds. I blame Quade for this also.
And my kid came home from school and threw his playstation in the bin, he said if Quade didn't think it was any good, then f*ck it, which was disappointing because he's 5.
Kids a problem, he seems to like the waratahs more than the reds. I blame Quade for this also.
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Alan Cameron (40)
I agree, there are many things attributable to Quade, this has been a momentous occasion in history. --end sarcasm--
Use all this to come back fitter, stronger and faster Quade. Tear up the s15 then destroy the Lions with your litter mate Sanchez.
According the the SMH, ARU have withdrawn the July proposed contract.
IIRC this had QC (Quade Cooper) on basically the same remuneration as per the 2009 contract (circa lots more than $500k).
On his performance this season, bearing in mind he has been carrying an major injury, this was a rather generous offer.
I would suspect that the revised "number" from ARU will be substantially less than the July offer, and will have more conditions attached.
The "real" penalty for his outburst may be a whole lot more than the $40k + $20k suspended + 3 game ban that some on this thread are claiming was light.
IIRC this had QC (Quade Cooper) on basically the same remuneration as per the 2009 contract (circa lots more than $500k).
On his performance this season, bearing in mind he has been carrying an major injury, this was a rather generous offer.
I would suspect that the revised "number" from ARU will be substantially less than the July offer, and will have more conditions attached.
The "real" penalty for his outburst may be a whole lot more than the $40k + $20k suspended + 3 game ban that some on this thread are claiming was light.
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John Solomon (38)
They're rugby players, a "no dickheads" rule would wipe out the sport - and a vast majority of this forum.
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David Codey (61)
Most ridiculous statement of the thread, if not the whole site.
A no dickhead rule would have no impact of 99% of professional players in this country.
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