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Rebels 2014

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Peter Fenwicke (45)
Jimmy C said:
I don't know personally but I'd say he had a good game considering he's up again this weekend.
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Just watching the JWC matches involving Australia, and Foketi is a really impressive player. Very formidable at centre, skillful, and well built (like 95kg I think?) for a 19 year old.

Is he in the EPS or has he got a full contract, does anyone know
 
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John Eales (66)
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He weighed in at 97kgs for the Under 20s last year.

You'd think at that weight and being a centre that he would be a crash-baller, but he isn't: he's a smooth gliding runner.

Like Placid up north: it remains to be seen if he can take his junior ability into senior rugby and then professional rugby.

I would back both lads to do so.
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Alan Cameron (40)
Interesting piece from Georgina Robinson today regarding the NRC.

Especially this bit...

The ARU will mandate that every available Super Rugby player not representing the Wallabies must play in the NRC. It is understood each NRC squad will be "given" about 15 Super Rugby players, with the remainder of the squad to be filled by emerging club players.
That means the Rebels, who could conceivably be left with a squad of 25 or more after losing their Test players, could send 15 to play in the Melbourne-based NRC team, while the remaining players will be split up between the Sydney NRC teams.
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What do you make of the idea to send Rebels players to Sydney to play against Melbourne?
 
Dave Beat

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Paul McLean (56)
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If the Rebels are running the Melbourne NRC team then they shouldn't be releasing players to play in other states...

Same with the Brumbies and Force...
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Initial media suggests the ARU may think differently - but at the moment we are only hearing it through the media.
 
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Peter Johnson (47)
I think a player should only be released if he has a long standing history with another NRC team.

Say a few years down the line the Rebels sign a bloke who has already played 4 or 5 seasons for Randwick in the NRC. He might be signed on the proviso he can return to sydney at the end of the season.

But picking a top 15 each year sounds dumb. The Rebels are the main employer they should have everyone available unless negotiated otherwise.
 
Eyes and Ears

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Bob Davidson (42)
I believe the ARU are going to impose a rule that each NRC team can have a maximum of 18 contracted players.

IMO, I don't have a problem with Melbourne or other having to release players as I believe this will aid the contracted players (and probably the best players in Aust) are getting significant game time. If Melbourne had 3 hookers in their squad that were all available for NRC, 1 of them wouldn't even make the 22. If I were running the Melbourne team, I would prefer this player to be playing than outside the 22 for my NRC team.
 
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Train Without a Station

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Where are players released to? Back to their original city? Oh sweet, I'm a 24 year old professional athlete, I'll go live with my parents for 3 months, that sounds fun... It's either that or they're paying double short term rent.

Then if they are sent to a different city...

I'm all for players choosing to play in a different city if they're Super Franchise is happy with that. Perhaps they're the 3rd halfback at the club, etc. and they want a chance to get game time. That benefits their employer, and themselves and they may be willing to sacrifice to do so.

Otherwise you are penalizing the employer and the employee.
 
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TOCC

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To me it makes absolute sense, not only to maximise the playing opportunity of contracted players but also to boost the overall chance of this competition surviving.

Fans and clubs will need to be unselfish in supporting this competition, having up to 28 contracted players in Melbourne/Perth when only 22 of them will ever play runs contrary to the reason as to why this competition was established in the first place.

If Sydney has 4 or 5 teams, the calibre of players across these teams is going to be spread thin, teams like the Rebels and Force will be of Super Rugby quality playing against Shute Shield teams. If you want the competition to have any form of balance then some teams will need to allow players to return to Sydney.

Furthermore, from a marketing perspective, having a greater number of super rugby players with profiles in some of these teams in Sydney will do wonders for selling tickets and building interest. Sydney is realistically the focal point in all this, the competition needs to grab hold in Sydney or its going to fail, it won't matter what happens in Perth, Melbourne, Brisbane or Canberra, if the Sydney teams are a failure then the competition will fail as well.
 
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Train Without a Station

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TOCC you've got to realise though, that the Rebels and Force Super Rugby squads are not equal to the other 3. Players only go to these franchises as a second option. Of those 28 contracted players, how many would have got a contract at the Tahs, Reds or Brumbies? I'd say not too many, that's why they aren't there. Below their Top 15 the talent is spread thin.
 
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Train Without a Station said:
TOCC you've got to realise though, that the Rebels and Force Super Rugby squads are not equal to the other 3. Players only go to these franchises as a second option. Of those 28 contracted players, how many would have got a contract at the Tahs, Reds or Brumbies? I'd say not too many, that's why they aren't there. Below their Top 15 the talent is spread thin.
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That as it may be, that layer of players below the Top 15 are still some of the best and up and coming players from Premier Rugby and the Shute Shield thats why they were offered contracts.. Wouldn't the competition be better served by having the best 150 players(minus wallabies) starting on the field each weekend?

Lets say for example Burgess isn't selected for the Wallabies yet he is the preferred starting halfback for the Melbourne NRC team, wouldn't it be better for the Rebels long term and for the player if Stirzaker returned to Sydney and played a starting role in one of their teams?

Likewise with PAE, if he isn't a starting prop is it really going to benefit him and the Rebels long term to sit on the bench for 65min a game?
 
Dave Beat

Dave Beat

Paul McLean (56)
Train Without a Station said:
TOCC you've got to realise though, that the Rebels and Force Super Rugby squads are not equal to the other 3. Players only go to these franchises as a second option. Of those 28 contracted players, how many would have got a contract at the Tahs, Reds or Brumbies? I'd say not too many, that's why they aren't there. Below their Top 15 the talent is spread thin.
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Hi TWaS, your always fair, and justify your thoughts - cheers.

I'm honestly not sure who would be stronger and stuck a post in the 3T thread
 
Brumby Runner

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David Wilson (68)
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That as it may be, that layer of players below the Top 15 are still some of the best and up and coming players from Premier Rugby and the Shute Shield thats why they were offered contracts.. Wouldn't the competition be better served by having the best 150 players(minus wallabies) starting on the field each weekend?

Lets say for example Burgess isn't selected for the Wallabies yet he is the preferred starting halfback for the Melbourne NRC team, wouldn't it be better for the Rebels long term and for the player if Stirzaker returned to Sydney and played a starting role in one of their teams?

Likewise with PAE, if he isn't a starting prop is it really going to benefit him and the Rebels long term to sit on the bench for 65min a game?
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This issue will have a lot of bearing on the success or otherwise of the NRC I believe, but it is difficult to see how it can be resolved to the greater benefit.

I don't think an arbitrary sharing of the resources by the ARU is the way to go, but I can also see that concentrating the better resources (players) in 2 or 3 of the NRC teams will not benefit the competition as a whole. Perhaps the way to go is for each franchise to nominate their 18 contracted players to be retained, and it is left to the remaining individuals to negotiate their own solution with other teams, or to sit out the comp if they can't otherwise get a suitable gig. Not sure how the Brumbies would handle these matters if Canberra enter two teams, but I guess that's not likely to happen in the early stages, but Brisbane could be in a similar situation as well, sharing the current contracted players between two teams.
 
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Steve Williams (59)
Train Without a Station said:
Where are players released to? Back to their original city? Oh sweet
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Since this is a Rebels thread, I'd like to ask some Rebels questions.....

In what cities did Rebels players play in Aug/Sep last year?

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