Where to for Super Rugby?

[chibimatty]

I would love to see some sort of melding of the tribal elements of the Shute Shield and Qld Premier, along with the provincialism of the "minor States"

Something that includes the traditional clubs, allowing them to regain a significant place in the developmental order again, while including a team each from other rugby centres with the player numbers, like WA, Victoria, ACT, Newcastle, maybe Illawarra.

I suppose what I'd be advocating, would be something like the old NSL, a league made up of Australia's biggest State premiership clubs, then adding provincial teams for a national game. This time however, rather than being hampered by the old ethnic rivalries soccer had, it would instead be built on the traditional club rivalries with the added provincialism and city vs country element thrown in. The competition would have to be rationalised in some way though, either by restricting the number of teams through participation criteria, or by making it a qualification process mid-season, similar to the current rugby league Super 8s divisional play-off splits in English Super League.

I guess the underlying problem might be the retention of players, but this might be the bitter pill Australia has to swallow. What could be done, however, is that we could then hold some sort of three-team provincial championship, bringing back the overseas-based players in with the domestic players as a selection for test match rugby. Could a sub-contract or loan system be put in place, so that overseas-based players must play provincial football in order to be selected for the Wallabies?

 

[oztimmay]

If the ARU don't want another league to happen I think it is fairly likely that World Rugby will also refuse to back it. This is the main difference to super league - a wealthy and powerful international body. Rebel leagues pose a threat to all tier one unions. It will be very hard to get quality players if they become excluded from international rugby selection.


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This is the kicker, right here.

I can't see anyone who plays in a breakaway league being eligible for Wallaby selection.

If World Rugby don't officially recognise the comp, and any representative team that spawns from it, I. Any see them ever playing a team from a tier (or even 2) nation. The elite pathway will stop at WA.


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[Rugbynutter39]

The kicker though is who would you back - a Twiggy Forrest / Stokes backed competition on FTA or a ARU backed no clue Super Rugby fiasco? I think most would go with the former as people ready for change.

Now not saying the former is even on the cards as just talk and talk is cheap but the ideal scenario would be for TF / Stokes to say go to ARU and work with them for a new and better competition (and alternative to the Super Rugby fiasco which is broken and has clearly no long term future).

The ARU is clearly struggling on so many accounts (and some understandably given difficult financial position oz rugby is in) so should seek to embrace TF imo.....ie. ARU's position is we can't afford distributions to 5 oz Super Rugby teams so Andrew Forrest how can you help us with that scenario as you propose a better solution (that you can help fund and support)?

I honestly don't know what may come of this...maybe nothing but when you got WA Government in your corner and powerful and well respected multi-billionaire supporting you maybe something can come of it. I agree though to get up a new international league not ARU endorsed will probably be less likely.

 

[Highlander35]

Wamberal will be happy at least.

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[wamberal]

Wamberal will be happy at least.

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I will be happy when we have managed to get agreement on a vehicle that works to allow the game to survive.

If that meant that the rugby love of my life, my old club, Eastwood had to die, i would be happy.


Everything I say here about the game as a whole is directed towards that end. I had a number of years living and working away from Australia, in Hong Kong and Thailand in particular, and lived basically without any real contact with the game in Australia, just a few snippets in the newspapers, and an occasional bit of something or other on Radio Australia.


I will do anything I can to help the game survive, because I know what it is like not to have it. If that makes sense.

 

[Killer]

This is the kicker, right here.

I can't see anyone who plays in a breakaway league being eligible for Wallaby selection.

If World Rugby don't officially recognise the comp, and any representative team that spawns from it, I. Any see them ever playing a team from a tier (or even 2) nation. The elite pathway will stop at WA.


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No, if it's a national league with maybe Singapore and a NZ team. If it's competitive, if it's tribal, it's on FTA TV and it's trying to be closed down by the evil ARU and the IRB(which I doubt) it will succeed.
They will have sponsors galore with FTA TV and bc the public understands their fight and will support the under dog.
In the end the ARU will have to come hat in hand to this type of new league.

 

[Slim 293]

No, if it's a national league with maybe Singapore and a NZ team. If it's competitive, if it's tribal, it's on FTA TV and it's trying to be closed down by the evil ARU and the IRB(which I doubt) it will succeed.
They will have sponsors galore with FTA TV and bc the public understands their fight and will support the under dog.
In the end the ARU will have to come hat in hand to this type of new league.

But who is going to play in it?

 

[wamberal]

But who is going to play in it?

Details, details.


Who is going to broadcast it? Who is going to watch it? And so on....

 

[Highlander35]

What code are they going to be playing?

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[GaffaCHinO]

If the ARU don't want another league to happen I think it is fairly likely that World Rugby will also refuse to back it. This is the main difference to super league - a wealthy and powerful international body. Rebel leagues pose a threat to all tier one unions. It will be very hard to get quality players if they become excluded from international rugby selection.


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Not really World Rugby has nothing to do with super rugby nor any other domestic league.

 

[GaffaCHinO]

Twiggy’s got even more money to throw around now

 

[Highlander35]

Not really World Rugby has nothing to do with super rugby nor any other domestic league.

WorkingClassRugger would know best, but I'm about 80% sure that World Rugby stepped in and looked to shut down Major League Rugby or whatever it was when the USAR refused to endorse (there's a better way of phrasing but I'm hungover).

 

[Slim 293]

Also, as mentioned earlier..........

Any hypothetical breakaway league in competition with the ARU wouldn't have access to the best players in Australia.

Only club level players with no higher aspirations.

 

[GaffaCHinO]

 

[Killer]

Also, as mentioned earlier....

Any hypothetical breakaway league in competition with the ARU wouldn't have access to the best players in Australia.

Only club level players with no higher aspirations.

Jesus what's wrong with you guy's, "we're all doomed, don't try anything, lie in fetal position"
If you have a financial backer bigger than the ARU etc, its competitive, easily accessed on FTA TV, lots of sponsors, generally massive public support bc of their perception of the powers that be, a season that goes for 22 weeks, then you will in a due course be the power or at least can't be ignored.
Look at all the disaffected rugby supporters around Aus, people just want a team to support home and away. It is the same with players and team administrations will attract the players they need.

 

[Strewthcobber]

World Rugby Regulation 16.2.1 (among many others)

16.2.1 A Rugby Body or Club shall not play a Match or Matches against any Rugby Body or Club or other team(s) that are not affiliated (temporarily or otherwise) to a Union or against teams that contain Players that are not members of a Union without the prior written consent of the CEO (subject to Regulation 16.2.5 below).

 

[Slim 293]

Jesus what's wrong with you guy's, "we're all doomed, don't try anything, lie in fetal position"
If you have a financial backer bigger than the ARU etc, its competitive, easily accessed on FTA TV, lots of sponsors, generally massive public support bc of their perception of the powers that be, a season that goes for 22 weeks, then you will in a due course be the power or at least can't be ignored.
Look at all the disaffected rugby supporters around Aus, people just want a team to support home and away. It is the same with players and team administrations will attract the players they need.

Well, there's certainly no guarantee of FTA TV, lots of sponsors, massive public support, or getting other countries on board...........

The point still stands......... are players really going to turn their backs on test rugby for something like this?

But I'd be surprised if this is anything more than just hot air from that windbag Twiggy.

 

[stoff]

Not really World Rugby has nothing to do with super rugby nor any other domestic league.

But they do. All the leagues operate within the control of the national unions and therefore are implicitly sanctioned. Non-sanctioned comps form a threat to the national unions as a whole, so they will resist them. Forrest mentioned an international comp - where does he get teams and players if not from the national unions?


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[kiap]

This is the sort of option I'd like to see the Force explore.

Questions: Where does Twiggy Forrest do business?

Who plans to launch a pro league with foreign players in 2018?

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… Alisports – the sports division of e-commerce giant Alibaba , owner of the South China Morning Post – will host the tournament and is leading the charge as far as popularising rugby in China.​

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Last October, the company invested US$100 million over 10 years with the aim of attracting a million new players within five years.​

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…The ultimate goal for China is to host a Rugby World Cup and plans are in place to launch a professional 15-a-side league featuring foreign players as soon as next year.​

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While China has less than 2,000 rugby players, Wei believes the sport will catch on and knows it is important to capitalise on the interest created by the 2019 World Cup and the 2020 Olympics, both to be held in Japan …​

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This article appeared in the South China Morning Post print edition as: Shanghai set to host richest sevens​

 

[Killer]

World Rugby Regulation 16.2.1 (among many others)

so? this is a revolution, we don't care about their rules, they can stick them up their ar.....
Take us to court.