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    The Israel Folau saga

    Like many illnesses genetic factors merely make you susceptible. The rest is a complex interplay between social and environmental circumstances. For some unfortunate individuals the ducks line up and they have no more ability to control it than to chose their sexuality. Your post just confirms...
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    The Israel Folau saga

    Neither is alcoholism - which is a smaller minority group, with with a higher mortality. But it’s ok to brand them as sinners because they are not currently a group experiencing positive discrimination as society sees it largely as their own fault. My point is that he was fine to be a religious...
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    The Israel Folau saga

    Nah - the issue on both occasion was that he mentioned homosexuals - a taboo topic. Not pc and it represents a group currently in the midst of affirmative action/ reverse discrimination. No one really cares about the other minority groups he mentioned, or his rants about “sinners” in general so...
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    The Israel Folau saga

    We already know you can objectify obese women and vilify them because of their size to the point they feel “humiliated” and just receive a rap on the knuckles The precedents been set
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    The Israel Folau saga

    Alcoholism and addiction in general probably have a genetic predisposition. There is no doubt you have much higher chance if there is a family history. For some people it’s no more controllable than their sexual preference.
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    The Israel Folau saga

    The islanders are a pretty tight knit group and are very strong in their religious beliefs. I really hope this doesn’t spiral out of control. It’s already got far more airtime than it deserves and probably would have just slipped through to the keeper if the media hadn’t got a hold of it. I...
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    The Israel Folau saga

    No. Of course social media and bullying has an impact on young people. Its just that this current issue doesn’t meet the definition of bullying in the above mentioned journal articles which you are trying to use as evidence to suit your arguement. And you don’t seem to understand the difference.
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    The Israel Folau saga

    I’m trying to point out the difference between posting persecutory ideology, and targeted cyber bullying, which is an entirely different beast. But I’m obviously not doing a very good job of it so I’ll leave it at that.
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    The Israel Folau saga

    Nope. Reread my response It is not relentless and individually targeted humiliation in front of peers - which is the topic of the articles about social media bullying that you refer to but obviously haven’t read. Bullying is a term used all to frequently these days. It is a problem but this is...
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    The Israel Folau saga

    Do you believe that preachers on the street corner are bullying those that walk past? What about tv evangelists? Of course they aren’t. They are expressing a religious opinion which happens to be unpalatable for the majority of inclusive rational people. They were not aimed at an individual or...
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    The Israel Folau saga

    The problem is one of cause and effect. The majority of first world youth these days are not religious. Well under 50% on census data. Posts like Folau’s are not the cause for the statistics you refer to. There are much greater forces at play than the occasional broad swipe at “sinners” from a...
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    The Israel Folau saga

    I was referring to the articles Adam mentioned on “bullying” in social media A term which people are quick to throw around these days. And a term which is completely irrelevant to this situation
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    The Israel Folau saga

    If you had read the articles you refer to you wouldn’t need to ask that question
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    The Israel Folau saga

    Don’t get me wrong. I don’t support his “vitriolic shit” and agree it is misplaced and not what we want in rugby or society in general. But it’s his opinion and it is going to have far more impact on him personally than any of his targets. His personal beliefs/posts will not change any of the...
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    The Israel Folau saga

    Correct And they are about social media and bullying. Which is a completely different issue.
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    The Israel Folau saga

    The words of a well known atheist seem quite appropriate here. “that’s what the worlds like - people see something they don’t like and they expect it to stop, as opposed to dealing with their own emotions. They expect everyone to care about their thing as much as they do. And it’s why the...
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    The Israel Folau saga

    What evidence is there to support that? People follow Izzy because of his sporting prowess - despite what comes out of his mouth not because of it. You don’t think confused kids have googled their sexuality already? Of course they have - and they will have come up with loads worse than this...
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    The Israel Folau saga

    Yep - ranks right up there with the fear factor of not receiving a present from Santa for being naughty. Religious zealot posts fundamentalist drivel. Nothing to see here. Don’t get all the fuss. And the comment that his rants might influence our kids is rubbish - give them more credit that...
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    Australia v England

    Shhhhh.... that’s not the narrative. It’s the forwards who win or lose matches. Talking about about backs is just missing the point
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    Reds 2019

    Regardless of how good he is that is 6 million of the fucking stupidest reasons in the history of rugby.
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