2012 Rugby Championship Round 6 Game 1 South Africa vs New Zealand- 6 Oct

[The Red Baron]

Conundrum. Must play Morne Steyn when he is fit.

Sorry Blue. I couldn't help myself.

 

[PiXeL_Ninja]

I think I would have du Preez as captain before Schalk, I mean what shape is Schalks body in now, let alone 4 years time. Also, I wouldnt want to mess with that loose trio, its perfect.

I would have Steyn at 12 and 13 to whoever wants it most (J Fourie, Taute, Mapoe)

 

[PaarlBok]

Hope jhe never comes back in.

Is Botha just about the last cab off the rank? Covers 6 and 8 right? Who else is there?

Seems like a tough kid.

Still think the Bulls and SA Rugby have screwed it up badly with CJ Stander.

Ja stander is an excellent player. I would have picked Brussouw.

 

[PiXeL_Ninja]

Ja stander is an excellent player. I would have picked Brussouw.

Brussouw is injured again.

He is quite injury prone which is not his fault, but it does detract selectors as it causes disruption.

 

[PaarlBok]

I think I would have du Preez as captain before Schalk, I mean what shape is Schalks body in now, let alone 4 years time. Also, I wouldnt want to mess with that loose trio, its perfect.

I would have Steyn at 12 and 13 to whoever wants it most (J Fourie, Taute, Mapoe)

Nothing wrong with Schalkies body Boet. At the moment he do his baby duties but he'll be back next year, stronger then ever.

du Preez is a has been.

 

[PiXeL_Ninja]

Nothing wrong with Schalkies body Boet. At the moment he do his baby duties but he'll be back next year, stronger then ever.

du Preez is a has been.

Interesting that you say du Preez is a has-been when you consider that he is less than a year older than Schalk.

But in saying that, flank/8th-man doesnt require the same physicality that scrumhalf does so you're prob right - must just be my provincial rose tinted glasses.

 

[PaarlBok]

Brussouw is injured again.

He is quite injury prone which is not his fault, but it does detract selectors as it causes disruption.

Shite ja only saw now Heinrich is out for 6 months.
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Brussow out for six months



by Brenden Nel 03 October 2012, 06:47

The Toyota Free State Cheetahs were dealt a massive blow not only in their Absa Currie Cup campaign, but also ahead of Super Rugby as Bok flanker Heinrich Brussow was ruled out for six months with a shoulder injury.

Brussow injured himself in Saturday’s win over GWK Griquas, and after assessing his injury, it was decided to let him undergo surgery to the shoulder to ensure he can return as early as possible for next year’s Vodacom Super Rugby tournament.

It is the second time that Brussow has been injured this year. He missed a long spell from the end of Super Rugby and the first four Currie Cup games because of a knee injury.

Since his return, he has played only four games in the Currie Cup and now is only expected back towards the end of March.

There is no doubt his loss is a massive blow to the Cheetahs, compounded even more by the fact he is the team’s fifth loose forward to be ruled out for the season.

On top of that, Hendro Scholtz, who was coaxed out of retirement, has to undergo concussion tests this week to see if he passes a fitness test.

The Cheetahs already have Juan Smith, Boom Prinsloo, Kabamba Floors and Frans Viljoen on the sidelines with injury.

We need fetcher flankers. Francois Louw has been brilliant and hope he return from his chicken running act.

 

[PaarlBok]

Interesting that you say du Preez is a has-been when you consider that he is less than a year older than Schalk.

But in saying that, Blindside flank doesnt require the same physicality that scrumhalf does so you're prob right - must just be my provincial rose tinted glasses.

Boet privincial tinted glasses or not, we dont need to bring du Preez back, he is way past it. Schalkie still have a lot to offer, to reject him is just dumb. He'll walk into any international team.

 

[PiXeL_Ninja]

Shite ja only saw now Heinrich is out for 6 months.
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We need fetcher flankers. Francois Louw has been brilliant and hope he return from his chicken running act.

I'm quietly confident that he will now that he has 6 nailed down in the bok team, can Stormers afford him after splashing out so much for the Lions players? I think he may just go to the bulls..

 

[PiXeL_Ninja]

Boet privincial tinted glasses or not, we dont need to bring du Preez back, he is way past it. Schalkie still have a lot to offer, to reject him is just dumb. He'll walk into any international team.

I dont think either of them are the answer to be honest. I do think we are holding onto de Villiers because of his captaincy/experience rather than 100% on-field performance (Smit-syndrome? Although atleast there is a reason for it as experience is what is required right now). Which begs the question, should he get replaced by a Steyn/Taute combo, who picks himself and has the credentials for the captaincy? Bismarck? (We all know that captains who happen to be fetchers receive more leniency from the refs...)

 

[PaarlBok]

I dont think either of them are the answer to be honest. I do think we are holding onto de Villiers because of his captaincy/experience rather than 100% on-field performance (Smit-syndrome? Although atleast there is a reason for it as experience is what is required right now). Which begs the question, should he get replaced by a Steyn/Taute combo, who picks himself and has the credentials for the captaincy? Bismarck? (We all know that captains who happen to be fetchers receive more leniency from the refs.)

Jean should play 12 finish en klaar. Steyn will be much better in the 13 position, basher type of midfielder. Pretty sure Meyer wanted to go the Schalk for captain route. His injury put that one on hold.

 

[Blue]

Boet privincial tinted glasses or not, we dont need to bring du Preez back, he is way past it. Schalkie still have a lot to offer, to reject him is just dumb. He'll walk into any international team.

How do you know that? Have you seen him play? Do you have reports on his fitness? He played that World Cup with both shoulders hanging off the bone.

Schalk has a lot to offer. No doubt. As Captain? I am no longer sure. I think he is going to real;ly struggle to get back to form and there is a lot of competition in the back row.

Let's see where we are halfway through the Super 15 next year as it will be a better time to have this discussion.

 

[Blue]

Jean should play 12 finish en klaar. Steyn will be much better in the 13 position, basher type of midfielder. Pretty sure Meyer wanted to go the Schalk for captain route. His injury put that one on hold.

Steyn played one test at 13 and it was a total disaster defensively.

 

[Blue]

Nothing wrong with Schalkies body Boet. At the moment he do his baby duties but he'll be back next year, stronger then ever.

du Preez is a has been.

Typical Cape bias from you again.

How do you know Schalk's body is okay?

Have you seen him play lately? He was supposed to come back three times already and now he isn't even back this year? Sounds like there is a huge problem there.

All reports are from Japan that du Preez is in fantastic shape physically. We all know he has mental strength like few other rugby players.

You cannot deny that an in-form, fit du Preez to look after Goosen is the best possible situation we can have. Assuming du Preez is fit and wants to play for the Boks you have to be an idiot not to at least see him get a chance.

Get used to the idea now. I have it on VERY good authority that he will make a comeback and we know how much love Heyneke has for him.

I suggest you change your screen saver to a pic of du Preez now to help you get use to the idea.

 

[PaarlBok]

Typical Cape bias from you again.

How do you know Schalk's body is okay?

Have you seen him play lately? He was supposed to come back three times already and now he isn't even back this year? Sounds like there is a huge problem there.

All reports are from Japan that du Preez is in fantastic shape physically. We all know he has mental strength like few other rugby players.

You cannot deny that an in-form, fit du Preez to look after Goosen is the best possible situation we can have. Assuming du Preez is fit and wants to play for the Boks you have to be an idiot not to at least see him get a chance.

Get used to the idea now. I have it on VERY good authority that he will make a comeback and we know how much love Heyneke has for him.

I suggest you change your screen saver to a pic of du Preez now to help you get use to the idea.

du Preez played like shite since he broke up last year. He should stay in Japan, now that he is use to sushie and shite.

 

[Blue]

Get used to the idea. He will be home next year. In Blue and then in Green.

 

[PaarlBok]

Johan Goosen and Jean de Villiers

 

[Blue]

Johan Goosen and Jean de Villiers

THAT IS BRILLIANT.

BRILLIANT.

 

[Brisbok]

Boks unchanged for this weekend:

South Africa:

15 Zane Kirchner, 14 Bryan Habana, 13 Jean de Villiers (captain), 12 Jaco Taute, 11 Francois Hougaard, 10 Johan Goosen, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Andries Bekker, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 Beast Mtawarira

Substitutes: 16 Tiaan Liebenberg, 17 Coenie Oosthuizen, 18 Flip van der Merwe, 19 Marcell Coetzee, 20 Elton Jantjies, 21 Juan de Jongh, 22 Patrick Lambie

http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/RugbyChampionship/Meyer-keeps-same-Bok-squad-20121003

Edit - I think the author has JdV's and Taute's numbers mixed up.

 

[ACR]

Goddam I'm nervous for this one, and pessimistic I might add. 50-50 for me at this stage. Only fair that we face the toughest test on this possible winning run (with bunnies to follow).

^^^ Good for SA to have an unchanged side. Did Kirchner get a brace of tries last week? He played pretty well from memory. Only possible reason to not play Lambie right.

McCaw is getting the cotton wool treatment this week I think, only way for him to prepare for his potential 100th test win! Ridiculous.

 

[PaarlBok]

Edit - I think the author has JdV's and Taute's numbers mixed up.

Sure, SARugby site

The Springbok team to face New Zealand in Soweto is:
15. Zane Kirchner (Vodacom Blue Bulls) 20 caps
14. Bryan Habana (DHL Western Province) 82 caps
13. Jaco Taute (MTN Golden Lions) 1 cap
12. Jean de Villiers (captain, DHL Western Province) 80 caps
11. Francois Hougaard (Vodacom Blue Bulls) 23 caps
10. Johan Goosen (Toyota FS Cheetahs) 3 caps
9. Ruan Pienaar (Ulster, N-Ireland) 59 caps
8. Duane Vermeulen (DHL Western Province) 3 caps
7. Willem Alberts (The Sharks) 16 caps
6. Francois Louw (Bath, England) 13 caps
5. Andries Bekker (DHL Western Province) 28 caps
4. Eben Etzebeth (DHL Western Province) 7 caps
3. Jannie du Plessis (The Sharks) 38 caps
2. Adriaan Strauss (vice-captain, Toyota FS Cheetahs) 17 caps
1. Tendai Mtawarira (The Sharks) 40 caps
Replacements:
16. Tiaan Liebenberg (DHL Western Province) 4 caps
17. Coenie Oosthuizen (Toyota FS Cheetahs) 1 cap
18. Flip van der Merwe (Vodacom Blue Bulls) 19 caps
19. Marcell Coetzee (The Sharks) 8 caps
20. Elton Jantjies (MTN Golden Lions) 1 cap
21. Juan de Jongh (DHL Western Province) 11 caps
22. Pat Lambie (The Sharks) 16 caps
Stats and facts:
•Saturday’s Test will be the 85th between South Africa and New Zealand. The Springboks have won 34, New Zealand have won 47 and three have been drawn.
•South Africa and New Zealand met three weeks ago in Dunedin. New Zealand won 21-11.
•New Zealand’s win against Argentina last weekend was their 15th consecutive win, only three wins away from the world record of 18 consecutive wins, held by Lithuania. South Africa and New Zealand’s most consecutive wins records are both 17.
•The two teams have played 37 Tests against each other in the Vodacom Tri-Nations / The Castle Rugby Championship. The Springboks have won 11 and lost 26. Points for: 714; Points against: 1 013; Tries for: 63; Tries against: 96; Average score: 19-27.
•Only one Test match was played by the Springboks at Soccer City. On 21 August, 2010 they played against the All Blacks and that match was won by New Zealand 29-22.
•With 82 Tests, Bryan Habana is the most capped Springbok wing. He holds the record for the most Test tries for South Africa with 46 and has also scored the most tries by a Springbok in this competition with 13.
•Bryan needs two tries to equal Joost van der Westhuizen’s record of six career tries in Tests against New Zealand.
•Bryan is currently joint third for most career tries in the Vodacom Tri-Nations/The Castle Rugby Championship with 13. He needs two tries to join Joe Rokocoko of New Zealand in second place (15), behind Christian Cullen of New Zealand, who scored 16 tries in this competition.
•Jean de Villiers is the most capped Springbok centre with 65 Tests in this position. Jean also needs two tries to equal Joost van der Westhuizen’s record of six career tries in Tests against New Zealand.
•Ruan Pienaar will play in his 60th Test for South Africa and in his 25th in this competition.

Looking forward to this test. This test have the meaning of the making of Springbok Legends.