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I wonder what Link thinks of the Wallabies tactics then...
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Mark Ella (57)
I can understand that, but the point is the systems need to be strong and transparent. Regardless of if its Pulver or JON in the seat the systems should be robust enough that the leader (or coach) of the organisation cannot compromise the integrity of that organisation. This hasn't happened and we have this situation.
I still always come back to thinking the whole player contracting process in Australia with the ARU top up mean that those on top contracts will always be selected unless broken (or in TPN's case totally broken) regardless of form and fit for purpose. The situation with QC (Quade Cooper) is such that even here we question this thought with the fact that QC (Quade Cooper) would not have been given any top up by the ARU but for an imminent revolt by the Qlder's. Some may well think this a conspiracy theory, but it is more an economics theory, the ARU has spent its budget and then some on a group of players and cannot afford to pay more for uncontracted/un-topped up players. I do not expect to see any untopped up player in the Wallabies unless there are no other topped up options. In some ways that can be used to excuse the idiotic selections of Deans over the years if you like.
Loss of integrity is very hard to overcome, that is my point, and I have made it once or twice on this forum.
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Arch Winning (36)
On Deans, he's not in it for the long haul at this point, he needs to win. he has little to gain this year by being ultra conservative. Even a Lions win will be insufficient if our TRC is poor so I'll be fascinated to see how he plays the team. Hopefully the best of 2010 meets best of 2012, not worst of both!
I am not sure he will want to play a conservative game vs Wales. In fact I hope he doesn't. I can understand him wanting to inject a base of conservative forwards driven play into our game, it was woefully lacking in 10 and stretches of 11, I think that was the whole point of 2012.
I would not be surprised to see us play a much faster game this year built off our forwards working their ass off. And that requires a core of players from last year augmented by some new forwards who are used to working hard, surrounded by a back line that is capable of withering lateral speed as well as sharp linebreaking ability. Now I wonder who might have those kind of players?
I am not sure he will want to play a conservative game vs Wales. In fact I hope he doesn't. I can understand him wanting to inject a base of conservative forwards driven play into our game, it was woefully lacking in 10 and stretches of 11, I think that was the whole point of 2012.
I would not be surprised to see us play a much faster game this year built off our forwards working their ass off. And that requires a core of players from last year augmented by some new forwards who are used to working hard, surrounded by a back line that is capable of withering lateral speed as well as sharp linebreaking ability. Now I wonder who might have those kind of players?
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Quade responded to Robbie's snub with a very good and controlled performance... Maybe it's reverse psychology...
Doubt it, more likely that RD is just a twat... :/
Doubt it, more likely that RD is just a twat... :/
So we have an Australian coach available with a 14 out of 18 record against New Zealand teams, but somehow the New Zealand coach who can't coach victories against Samoa and Scotland is the ARU's preferred option? The entire ARU board has to go. How can it become any more clear?
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I'm no fan of Deans, but you could easily highlight the Reds losses to teams like the Force this season and the Bulls flogging last season as reasons not to pick link if we are going to focus on specific matches..
It's the overall records which speak volume, it's also the ability of the coach to get the best out of the resources offered.... Which IMO is where Robbie fails..
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Mark Ella (57)
Very interesting that the NZ commentators in the Chiefs game today discussed Cooper then a bit later on after Cooper made a particulalrly good play said something like (and I think it was Grant Nesbit) 'It's interesting how some coaches can get the best out of some players and some coaches cannot." To me it seems that even many of the NZ rugby community cannot fathom what Deans is doing with the Wallabies players.
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changes i would make:
Jesse Mogg (Brumbies),
Israel Folau (NSW Waratahs), Drew Mitchell
Digby Ioane (Queensland Reds),
Joe Tomane (Brumbies),
Adam Ashley-Cooper (NSW Waratahs),
Ben Tapuai (Queensland Reds),
Pat McCabe (Brumbies),
Christian Leali’ifano (Brumbies),
James O’Connor (Melbourne Rebels),
Nic White (Brumbies),
Will Genia (Queensland Reds),
Wycliff Palu (NSW Waratahs),
Fotu Auelua (Brumbies),
Michael Hooper (NSW Waratahs),
Liam Gill (Queensland Reds),
Scott Higginbotham (Melbourne Rebels),
Ben Mowen (Brumbies),
Rob Simmons (Queensland Reds),
James Horwill (Queensland Reds),
Kane Douglas (NSW Waratahs),
Dan Palmer (Brumbies),
James Slipper (Queensland Reds),
Ben Alexander (Brumbies),
Benn Robinson (NSW Waratahs),
Scott Sio (Brumbies),
Stephen Moore (Brumbies),
Tatafu Polota Nau (NSW Waratahs).
Also add in the third hooker: James Hanson
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
I like, but I've made my own change on top of that.........
With MMM in there there's plenty of lock/6's.........
I would also consider crossing out another name for Mafi's......... maybe.........
With MMM in there there's plenty of lock/6's.........
I would also consider crossing out another name for Mafi's......... maybe.........
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Mark Ella (57)
I would also suggest that either of Shatz or Gill should be in there on form over Palu. Regardless of the hyperbole surrounding him the stats and my own subjective viewing of the game just do not support the ideas that he is anywhere near as good as he was say 3 years ago. The argument that he is needed as the go to ball runner for the tight hit ups just doesn't wash when Aelua is there with better stats and from subjective viewing works harder with and without the ball. I also suggest that Mowen is better in all aspects of the game than Palu with the exception of the occassional massive dominant tackle from Palu, but they have become a rarity.
But as I said, consider the top up situation for Shatz and Gill.
But as I said, consider the top up situation for Shatz and Gill.
Gill, yes. Schatz - not yet. But give him time. Mowen is ahead in the order from Schatz, and as you say, he is doing most things well.
Palu at his best would be a no-brainer, but we have to see that first.
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David Codey (61)
No one dislikes McCabe, just the person who selects him.
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David Codey (61)
McCabe can't even make the starting side of his province. It is embarrassing he is then an automatic selection for the wallabies.
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David Codey (61)
So we have a squad with the following options for 10:
Player 1 - hasn't played all year, unlikely to play 10 for his state when he comes back, most recently more successful at 15 for the wallabies albeit with a complete lack of a counterattacking game
Player 2 - played all year but one game at 12, game played at 10 was lost to the second worst team in the comp, would be a wallaby debutant
Player 3 - has played all year at 15 for his state, played previously at 10 for wallabies in Europe but mostly found success on the wing, club won't pick him at 10 despite the regular 10 being out and a rookie playing in that position
Does any of this make any sense to anyone? I can't believe the stupidity. We must be a laughing stock in NZ - imagine if they went to these lengths to select out of form, injured or players out of position!?
Player 1 - hasn't played all year, unlikely to play 10 for his state when he comes back, most recently more successful at 15 for the wallabies albeit with a complete lack of a counterattacking game
Player 2 - played all year but one game at 12, game played at 10 was lost to the second worst team in the comp, would be a wallaby debutant
Player 3 - has played all year at 15 for his state, played previously at 10 for wallabies in Europe but mostly found success on the wing, club won't pick him at 10 despite the regular 10 being out and a rookie playing in that position
Does any of this make any sense to anyone? I can't believe the stupidity. We must be a laughing stock in NZ - imagine if they went to these lengths to select out of form, injured or players out of position!?
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Trevor Allan (34)
We are not laughing at it, but we are still dumbfounded by it.
Can't imagine someone like Gear or Savea moving to fly half.
The general consensus of my colleagues is that we were hoping that Quade would be back.
In all honesty Cooper is the biggest liability you have. His defensive liabilities and his brain farts far outwiegh the benefits. Especially now when the team is less likely to play an attacking game and be more conservative.
What, you think NZ are laughing at us for NOT picking Quade Cooper?
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David Codey (61)
I don't think I mentioned cooper once in my post.
If Robbie picks Barnes, Lilo or JOC (James O'Connor) at ten, then either he is not correct in assessing their suitability in that position or their respective super coaches are.
Which do you think he'll go for and who do you think has the player out of position?
I personally think that Lilo is the only one with the potential to be a good international 10, but he would be a debutant vs the BIL. May as well have Foley or To'omua as options if we are willing to pick a debutant.
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David Codey (61)
Ps the point of the post was that we are likely to pick a 10 that is playing out of position.
Yes but the implied assertion (as I read it anyway) was that Cooper is the rightful 10.
Either way it's a messy situation. I am just as unhappy about it as you are. I would pick Quade but am not so sure that he is the answer as some here- his record when the heat is on in gold is at best patchy.
KB (Kurtley Beale), Barnes and JOC (James O'Connor) I don't think would be terrible- all are good players who have proved themselves at one point or another. Let's not paint this as a massive crisis.
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Jim Lenehan (48)
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