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CAS Rugby 2022

DaSchmooze

Jimmy Flynn (14)
Flav and gents, here are the actual team numbers by school.

Knox 26
Waves 23
Barker 19
Cranbrook 17
Trinity 13
Aloys 9

So there is a very wide spread, which logically also explains the performance strength between the schools.

Interested to see the same analysis for the ISA schools, over to the ISA guys.
I'll give it a crack but I suspect the ISA website wont report on inter association games making accuracy (particularly with large programs) a problem.
 

DaSchmooze

Jimmy Flynn (14)
St. Augustines 23 (1st to 3rds)
Oakhill 22 (1st to 4ths)
St. Pats 16 (1st to 4ths)
St. Stanislaus 15 (1st to 4ths)
Kinross 14 (1st to 3rds)
St. Pius 13 (1st to 3rds)
St. Gregs 9 (1st to 3rds)

Again I stress - these numbers probably fluctuate a bit on a week by week basis and are not super accurate.
 

JackJill

Peter Burge (5)
St. Augustines 23 (1st to 3rds)
Oakhill 22 (1st to 4ths)
St. Pats 16 (1st to 4ths)
St. Stanislaus 15 (1st to 4ths)
Kinross 14 (1st to 3rds)
St. Pius 13 (1st to 3rds)
St. Gregs 9 (1st to 3rds)

Again I stress - these numbers probably fluctuate a bit on a week by week basis and are not super accurate.
You are pretty accurate there DS. Augs and Oaks typically have the largest numbers throughout each year in ISA.
 

Elfster

Dave Cowper (27)
Flav and gents, here are the actual team numbers by school.

Knox 26
Waves 23
Barker 19
Cranbrook 17
Trinity 13
Aloys 9

So there is a very wide spread, which logically also explains the performance strength between the schools.

Interested to see the same analysis for the ISA schools, over to the ISA guys.
Apparently there were only 15 rugby matches between Knox and Barker last weekend. Presumably injuries must have reduced the total teams. I believe Knox won 13 of the 15 games.
 

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Larry Dwyer (12)
Rugby League, Cranbrook appear to the on the up? I only saw them once this year but they had a few players in the rep program and impressed on the scoreboard in some of their games. Can you give any insight? I know they always rise for waves but how is the program in general? What’s your thoughts on reverting to 2 rounds from a cranbrook point of view?
 

FoleyBealeFolau

Herbert Moran (7)
Rugby League, Cranbrook appear to the on the up? I only saw them once this year but they had a few players in the rep program and impressed on the scoreboard in some of their games. Can you give any insight? I know they always rise for waves but how is the program in general? What’s your thoughts on reverting to 2 rounds from a cranbrook point of view?
If im honest I think everyone in the Cranbrook program would be all for a 2 round CAS comp after many years of Cranbrook 1sts teams having wonderful starts in the first half of games I can remember them getting to a two try lead against Waverley in 2019 as well as leading for a fair chunk of the first half against Waverley last year. Even this year the boys in white were leading against Knox at half time sadly, ending up losing all of these games. So if they were to reinstitute the 2 round CAS comp i could see Cranbrook being quite successful next year with returning CAS representatives Noah Jackson (8) Tom Girle (5) Lance Tovio (12/13) Jaxson Allen (11) Kaleb Ah-Colt (3) Joe Rouse (1 Shadow Squad) and a-lot of boys from the Seconds premiership team making a push to play 1sts this year.
 

WLF3

Ward Prentice (10)
If im honest I think everyone in the Cranbrook program would be all for a 2 round CAS comp after many years of Cranbrook 1sts teams having wonderful starts in the first half of games I can remember them getting to a two try lead against Waverley in 2019 as well as leading for a fair chunk of the first half against Waverley last year. Even this year the boys in white were leading against Knox at half time sadly, ending up losing all of these games. So if they were to reinstitute the 2 round CAS comp i could see Cranbrook being quite successful next year with returning CAS representatives Noah Jackson (8) Tom Girle (5) Lance Tovio (12/13) Jaxson Allen (11) Kaleb Ah-Colt (3) Joe Rouse (1 Shadow Squad) and a-lot of boys from the Seconds premiership team making a push to play 1sts this year.
Hi Rugby League,

I am a big fan of Cranbrook rugby, see lots of mates in our local derby, and YES Cranbrook always lift for the local derby.
I don't recall brook ever leading Waves last year, it was close at half time, then in 10 minutes it was pretty much over.
I was also under the impression that the half time score this year v Knox was 24 all, so think you are being a bit too enthusiastic in your recollections.

BUT next year Cranbrook are looking very solid for the reasons you mentioned.
The problem with returning to a home & Away system is that Cranbrook might be very competitive next year in the 1s but what after that, such a change has a long term implication and to be fair the Age teams generally get hammered by the stronger 3 CAS Rugby schools, and Cranbrook wins the 1sts comp about once every 20 years.
In fact it's not Cranbrook that concerns Knox, Barker and Waves so much it's Trinity and Aloys, with such few teams, teams that don't match up eg Bs v Cs etc, which often includes Cranbrook, so more than half the games are a complete mismatch all day.

Many of us can only see this getting worse, given the weakening number of players every year.
Many would prefer a larger and more constantly even comp for all schools which may result in a 2 tier division comp with a promotion and relegation system. If a CAS team/s was in a different division then I am sure provision could be made to play either in the holidays, or a suitable time, so that the CAS comp would still be in play.

All the best!
 

FoleyBealeFolau

Herbert Moran (7)
Hi Rugby League,

I am a big fan of Cranbrook rugby, see lots of mates in our local derby, and YES Cranbrook always lift for the local derby.
I don't recall brook ever leading Waves last year, it was close at half time, then in 10 minutes it was pretty much over.
I was also under the impression that the half time score this year v Knox was 24 all, so think you are being a bit too enthusiastic in your recollections.

BUT next year Cranbrook are looking very solid for the reasons you mentioned.
The problem with returning to a home & Away system is that Cranbrook might be very competitive next year in the 1s but what after that, such a change has a long term implication and to be fair the Age teams generally get hammered by the stronger 3 CAS Rugby schools, and Cranbrook wins the 1sts comp about once every 20 years.
In fact it's not Cranbrook that concerns Knox, Barker and Waves so much it's Trinity and Aloys, with such few teams, teams that don't match up eg Bs v Cs etc, which often includes Cranbrook, so more than half the games are a complete mismatch all day.

Many of us can only see this getting worse, given the weakening number of players every year.
Many would prefer a larger and more constantly even comp for all schools which may result in a 2 tier division comp with a promotion and relegation system. If a CAS team/s was in a different division then I am sure provision could be made to play either in the holidays, or a suitable time, so that the CAS comp would still be in play.

All the best!
Yeah I completely agree I also did make a a mistake with the Waverley game from last year but I am fairly sure Cranbrook we’re up 19-17 at half time against Knox this year I may be wrong though. On the topic of the younger years this talk of Alloys not matching grade teams is quite disheartening and for as long as I can remember Alloys if they do allow there A teams to play other schools A teams. They frequently have there B teams Playing other schools C teams meaning the that the other schools B team will have to have a game found for them and even in some cases having a bye on the weekend which does absolutely nothing for rugby growth. However I don’t think the ranking system would work logistically how would you go about ranking the 6 CAs schools?
 
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FootyFan

Frank Row (1)
Does anyone know if there is a full game video of barker vs knox?
Held up at joeys view, really been trying to find where to watch it.

Cheers.
 

WLF3

Ward Prentice (10)
Yeah I completely agree I also did make a a mistake with the Waverley game from last year but I am fairly sure Cranbrook we’re up 19-17 at half time against Knox this year I may be wrong though. On the topic of the younger years this talk of Alloys not matching grade teams is quite disheartening and for as long as I can remember Alloys if they do allow there A teams to play other schools A teams. They frequently have there B teams Playing other schools C teams meaning the that the other schools B team will have to have a game found for them and even in some cases having a bye on the weekend which does absolutely nothing for rugby growth. However I don’t think the ranking system would work logistically how would you go about ranking the 6 CAs schools?
Clearly you would have to start for the 1st year by assessing the performance of each schools results over the last few years, and probably the current years 16s and Opens . After year 1 you would promote/relegate annually again based on performance.
 

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Bill Watson (15)
Yes its a meteoric rise considering he was Capt of Barker 1st XV in 2019. And playing in the front row. He must be close to being the youngest hooker for the Wallabies considering he is still just 20 years old.
Must also thank St Leo’s Catholic college which he attended until year 10 Rod for all their work developing him as a player.
 

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Larry Dwyer (12)
Is no one going to highlight how poor it was from Knox to let it get to such a margin? Games need to be managed better than this.
Knox took their best players from the field very early in the second half. Not only were the majority of 2nds players on the field there were also a couple of 16s getting an opportunity to play for the first time this year…. Towards the end it was 13 on 15. If they kept their best players on the field it could have easily been 120plus. There’s not a great deal you can do when kids are scoring full field tries including back rowers - you can manage rosters but you can’t tell kids not to run at full speed.

The game was actually played in very good spirits with the Alloys supporters jokingly chanting “scoreboard, scoreboard” when they scored a try to make 70 odd to 5 at the time
 
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Good interview with Isaiya Katoa which gives a good insight into what an excellent individual he is.
 

Crashy

Cyril Towers (30)
Went to that game with the boys from the Barker 1994 Second XV. We met a lot of the firsts and their parents at the pub (Blue Gum!) afterwards and he seemed like a typical islander boy - polite, well spoken - with young kids all around him trying to get his attention.
Jeez the scholarship thing is a new one for me tho - never was a thing in the 90s at Barker - saying that - the crowd was packed and school spirit high so maybe a good thing. Nice to beat Knox to win the CAS comp as well.
 
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