Ewen McKenzie Resignation

[Rugbynutter39]

My head actually tells me cutting Beale is right thing to do....part of me is trying to find a reason to keep him.....and probably for all the wrong reasons which is because decent player....but yes I could not complain if they cut him loose....

He has had enough chances....I actually think harder to actually keep him with Di and Mckenzie resignations....as ARU I suspect would be concerned of players having too much power and control making it virtually impossible for the next incoming coach to exert appropriate control over the playing group...

This is bigger issue no doubt ARU are concerned about out of this...

 

[Pass it to Dunning!]

I'd like to point out that the Wallabies came very close to beating the best team in the world even with an injury crisis and a coach on his way out. Yes, things are not at their best, but if this is a low-point for the Wallabies, we're doing okay.

 

[USARugger]

If Beale is still a Wallaby after all of this I might actually be fucking done for a little while.

I have no personal grudges against him but it's gone so far past the point of lunacy that I can't even begin to wrap my head around it.

I am beginning to teeter over to the "get the fucking broom" side of the fence, honestly. If justice is carried out appropriately and the people who actually did something wrong are dealt with, I'll be alright to stick with the Wallabies - even if it does end up being one hell of a bumpy ride.

 

[Ulrich]

Ulrich your points are valid but I just think you were going a bit overboard with your example.

Fair enough. I apologise for that.

This is the sport I love and it saddens me to see these things in the sport that's all.

 

[Chris McCracken]

I am OK with Joubert saying this as long as he says the same thing to McCaw. He had been penalise a number of times a the breakdown.

So, you don't think several penalties is a sterner "warning" than telling someone to "Lead by example". Right......

 

[Tomikin]

I hate Eddie Jones.. But jesus this presser shows what should have happened in Argentina
Post Match Press Conference v French Barbarians M…:

They don't wanna win they don't care and if they can't get better I'll pick someone else.

It's not funny..

 

[swingpass]

article by georgina robinson in todays fairfax on line.

finally

"just the facts mam"

will be very interesting if she is on "offsiders" (ABC) this morning, to see if she or her other mates take any responsibility for this craptacular outcome

 

[Quick Hands]

I hate Eddie Jones.. But jesus this presser shows what should have happened in Argentina
Post Match Press Conference v French Barbarians M…:

They don't wanna win they don't care and if they can't get better I'll pick someone else.

It's not funny..

When he coached the Wallabies previously, I was a critic. Maybe, just maybe, he is the right man for the job at the moment.

Churchill was yesterday's man until the time of crisis but he was the man for the crisis.

I'm a big cheika fan and I think he'll make a great Wallaby coach, but I don't think this is his time.

The ideal candidate is an Australian, not currently working in Australia at the professional level, has the experience at the top level, can deal with recalcitrant players and a pathetic governing body and would have the respect (not the approval) of the players.

E. Jones & S. Johnson are the only 2 names that come to mind.

 

[Quick Hands]

article by georgina robinson in todays fairfax on line.

finally

"just the facts mam"

will be very interesting if she is on "offsiders" (ABC) this morning, to see if she or her other mates take any responsibility for this craptacular outcome

Journos never take responsibility.

 

[Kenny Powers]

So, you don't think several penalties is a sterner "warning" than telling someone to "Lead by example". Right..

Maintaining consistent standards in the treatment of people, the tone in which you handle them and expectations need to be consistent.

Why are we in the mess we are in?

Whilst there is still significant conjecture and rumour the one thing I am certain of in how the text matter was resolved /should have been resolved there are different opinions amongst

- the Business Manager
- the Coach
- the CEO
- the players

 

[Ulrich]

I hate Eddie Jones.. But jesus this presser shows what should have happened in Argentina
Post Match Press Conference v French Barbarians M…:

They don't wanna win they don't care and if they can't get better I'll pick someone else.

It's not funny..

What I really liked is:

"I apologise for the performance I am responsible for it."

 

[Tomikin]

When he coached the Wallabies previously, I was a critic. Maybe, just maybe, he is the right man for the job at the moment.

Churchill was yesterday's man until the time of crisis but he was the man for the crisis.

I'm a big cheika fan and I think he'll make a great Wallaby coach, but I don't think this is his time.

The ideal candidate is an Australian, not currently working in Australia at the professional level, has the experience at the top level, can deal with recalcitrant players and a pathetic governing body and would have the respect (not the approval) of the players.

E. Jones & S. Johnson are the only 2 names that come to mind.

I agree Eddies got the cherry blossoms playing well. And you think he'd take anyone's crap. Could you imagine the spray he'd have given Beale.. At a presser in front of the world. Problem solved Di in a job Beale back in his box

 

[Chris McCracken]

Maintaining consistent standards in the treatment of people, the tone in which you handle them and expectations need to be consistent.

Why are we in the mess we are in?

Whilst there is still significant conjecture and rumour the one thing I am certain of in how the text matter was resolved /should have been resolved there are different opinions amongst

- the Business Manager
- the Coach
- the CEO
- the players

We're talking about Joubert talking to Hooper and McCaw on the field right? This is the definition of non-sequitur. Unless you're suggesting that Joubert is responsible for the Australian Rugby saga of the last couple of weeks.

 

[Lorenzo]

I don't think Pulver will select a disciplinarian. I think he will select the man he think best suited to furthering his vision of "running rugby" whether they are credentialed as a disciplinarian or not.

 

[Merrow]

It may be unpopular to say this and some will consider it distasteful.

But I (and only I) speculate that AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) is heavily complicit in this. We all bought the babe in the woods line when he was the players rep and friend got the shaft but now he's been a senior player coming out in support of another player that has erred. Did anybody see the pics of the team photo? Link seemed to be the only bloke that wasn't laughing there.

AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) is an arse and I've been saying it for years, only to be lambasted on here for having an unpopular view. The sooner he and his kind are away from the Wallabies the better.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

God that's retarded.

You want to keep Foley at 10 despite him having plenty of aspects lacking as he converted from 15 18 months ago.

THEN you want to play our best 10 at 15?

Maxdacat is merely putting forward his credentials to coach the Wallabies and based on this they are impeccable

 

[It is what it is]

The worst part about this is that I don't think any professional coach would want to take the Wallabies job at the moment. Just looks like a poisoned chalice.

No disagree.
The coach we need right now is the coach who absolutely wants to take the job on in these poor circumstances.

 

[Tomikin]

I don't think Pulver will select a disciplinarian. I think he will select the man he think best suited to furthering his vision of "running rugby" whether they are credentialed as a disciplinarian or not.

The safe bets Larkham
. Liked on all fronts and respected..would he take it.. Probably.. Should he.. Don't think so...

Chekia would be great but he does it his way..

White the same..

I still would love eddie Jones as team manager lol

 

[Ulrich]

My head actually tells me cutting Beale is right thing to do..part of me is trying to find a reason to keep him...and probably for all the wrong reasons which is because decent player..but yes I could not complain if they cut him loose..

He has had enough chances..I actually think harder to actually keep him with Di and Mckenzie resignations..as ARU I suspect would be concerned of players having too much power and control making it virtually impossible for the next incoming coach to exert appropriate control over the playing group.

This is bigger issue no doubt ARU are concerned about out of this.

Just cut him loose. If he's worth it he will prove himself down the line.

The Boks used a certain prop who elbowed McCaw. He has never featured for the Springboks since. That's one very minor transgression compared to the several committed by Beale off the field.

Still, since then the player has behaved well.

 

[It is what it is]

Yeah don't get the Pulver hate. Think everyone calm down and wait for the real story to come out soon or at least Beale's hearing.

We'll never get the real story now.
Just as the ARU declared that they would issue no further comment on Patston's employment history because she was no longer an employee of theirs, they will do exactly the same with anything relating to McKenzie.