IRB U/20 Tournament and Oz Squad

[en_force_er]

Re: Oz U20 squad

Does this make them eligible for Australia(underage & the Wallabies) in future seasons or not?

They wouldn't be eligible. It's sad but it's important to keep these policies to prevent international rugger becoming a joke like international league.

That being said the rules could do with some relaxing, I sure would of liked to see some (i.e. Tuquiri) go and represent their country of heritage once they are done with their Tier 1 nation.

 

[Newb]

Re: Oz U20 squad

Does this make them eligible for Australia(underage & the Wallabies) in future seasons or not?

i thought the deal was age group caps don't matter, it's only full international and A squad caps that bind you to a country. so i think they'd still be eligible for australia.

in NZ i think junior AB's is their official A squad which is why even their maori tour this year doesn't bind the players to NZ.

 

[Jets]

Re: Oz U20 squad

Does this make them eligible for Australia(underage & the Wallabies) in future seasons or not?

i thought the deal was age group caps don't matter, it's only full international and A squad caps that bind you to a country. so i think they'd still be eligible for australia.

in NZ i think junior AB's is their official A squad which is why even their maori tour this year doesn't bind the players to NZ.

Yeah that is the case. if it wasn't a lot of these guys wouldn't make themselves available. Someone like David Feao would be looking at a Super 15 contract in the coming years but he can play for Tonga U20's and have a great experience and if he doesn't make it at Super 15 level can still go on to play for Tonga at senior level.

 

[AussieDominance]

Re: Oz U20 squad

Lee - answer explained regarding Phoenix Battye here -

http://www.rugby.com.au/players/under_20s/2010/phoenix_battye,138273.html

 

[en_force_er]

Re: Oz U20 squad

Fair enough I'm wrong then.

Could of sworn I read somewhere that U20,A,7s and Full Caps bind you too a country.

 

[Lee Grant]

Re: Oz U20 squad

Lee - answer explained regarding Phoenix Battye here -

http://www.rugby.com.au/players/under_20s/2010/phoenix_battye,138273.html

Thanks - though it doesn't explain why he played for the Junior Waratahs v the Oz Barbarians side at Knox on 6 Feb 2010 - though maybe he was on the team list and didn't actually play. The rain was going sideways and most of the time I couldn't even recognise guys from my Rats team whose form I was trying to assess.

NSW posters - Also noticed a Kotoni Ale in the Tongan team list. Wasn't he a gun NSW schools forward a couple of years ago?

Yeah - he was in Oz Schools too in 2008 from St. Augustines. He was an outstanding prospect for senior rugby if he grew enough, and was in the Tahs amateur in 2009 but didn't play a lot of footie that year. He suffered from back splint injuries similar to the problem that Justin Turner had the year after leaving school.

He plays for my local club, the Rats, and he came on a couple of times from the bench last year when he was able to play. He must have been looking forward to playing 1st grade this year but Michael Lipman, who has played for England, returned to the club and Beau Robinson is in the team too.

Lipman was injured for the Sydney Uni game last week and had to pull out and late replacement Ale had a stormer by this account.

http://manly-daily.whereilive.com.au/sport/story/ale-told-to-hop-it/

 

[Lee Grant]

Re: Oz U20 squad

PS - On those U20 profiles:

1. Salesi Manu is listed as 123 kgs so he hasn't put on a lot of weight since school 2 years ago.

3. PAE is 120kgs as we knew.

That's a couple of largish props.

Liam Gill is listed at 90kgs now - up from 86kgs last year.

Luke Jones was purportedly 200cms but they're listing him at 197cms now.

Lock Greg Peterson is 120kgs now and at 204cms he's the right physical package. Can't wait to see him locking with Douglas down the track for the Tahs. Can I say, you heard it here first? No I won't - I leave that to the wankers but take credit for it later.

Scott Sio - forget his weight and height - they're listing him as a prop/hooker. Woo-hoo -the ARU must be reading my mail. As I said in an earlier post he is a natural for the hooking role though to my knowledge he hasn't played there before - just 1 and 8.

I'm thinking TPN MarkII.

 

[tranquility]

Re: Oz U20 squad

Who is this Phoenix bloke? he is massive.

The Reds might need him.

 

[Nusadan]

Re: Oz U20 squad

Who is this Phoenix bloke? he is massive.

The Reds might need him.

Any reason for Tahs letting him go last year? (aside from his supporting the Brumbies....)

 

[unsub god]

Re: Oz U20 squad

In the Trophy, Nigel Genia (GPS) and Allen Weller (Sunnybank) are representing PNG.

Nigel Genia is at wests champ.

 

[TOCC]

Re: Oz U20 squad

i thought Norths had a strong PNG connection, should be a few over there as well

 

[spectator]

Re: Oz U20 squad

In the Trophy, Nigel Genia (GPS) and Allen Weller (Sunnybank) are representing PNG.

Nigel Genia is at wests champ.

Sorry, that info was lifted off the IRB page.

 

[spectator]

Re: Oz U20 squad

i thought Norths had a strong PNG connection, should be a few over there as well

They do, with Will Genia and his brother Frank there, as well as two or three others, however they are too old for the 20's.

 

[TOCC]

Re: Oz U20 squad

well at least this side isnt lacking in size, they have the size in there forwards to outweigh a few super14 packs

1. PAE - 180cm/120kg
2. Sio - 187cm/112kg
3. Manu - 180cm/123kg
4. Jones - 197cm/112kg
5. Peterson -204cm/120kg
6. Quirk - 191cm/104kg
7. Fainga'a - 193cm/95kg
8. Shatz - 190cm/103kg

Total = 892kg
Average = 111kg

 

[spectator]

Re: Oz U20 squad

Jake Schatz has been named as captain of the Under 20's, adding to what has already been a stellar year for him. Matt To'omua has been named as his deputy.

 

[TOCC]

Re: Oz U20 squad

I regularly forgot that shatz was only 19 throughout the season, he plays with much more composure

 

[tranquility]

Re: Oz U20 squad

someone in another thread was saying they could not see the potential in Shatz.

I just could not understand what more they could have expected from a 19 year old bloke, playing in the backrow - who was still only in the academy.

huge future in the game.

 

[TOCC]

Re: Oz U20 squad

someone in another thread was saying they could not see the potential in Shatz.

I just could not understand what more they could have expected from a 19 year old bloke, playing in the backrow - who was still only in the academy.

huge future in the game.

someone said he would become the best in Australia, I debated that whilst he is good and workmanlike I think there were quite a few others still ahead of him.. His similar to Richard Brown

 

[tranquility]

Re: Oz U20 squad

It is highly likely that QLD will have all 9 representatives in the XV come the pointy end of the comp.

7 of which are almost assured.

Gill has a fight to get the 7, but I would not be surprised at all if he comes out on top - even though the other two have had super 14 experience.

Shipperley is the other, but I think he could easily be the 13 by the end of the comp.

Time will tell I guess.


edited: my side notes were ridiculous.

 

[Brumbies Guy]

Re: Oz U20 squad

It is highly likely that QLD will have all 9 representatives in the XV come the pointy end of the comp.

7 of which are almost assured.

Gill has a fight to get the 7, but I would not be surprised at all if he comes out on top - even though the other two have had super 14 experience.

Shipperley is the other, but I think he could easily be the 13 by the end of the comp.

Time will tell I guess.


Other random thoughts. Justin Turner and To'omua is an electric halves combo. Young tight 5, however massive and probably the best group of tight forwards we have taken to an U20s tournament. If they can neck up, could be reasonable outcome.

If not, definitely in the top 3