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Kurtley Beale

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John Solomon (38)
The incident, which has been referred to the Australian Rugby Union's integrity unit for investigation, culminated in Patston's departure from Buenos Aires two days' later, with coach Ewen McKenzie missing Wallabies training to escort Patston to the airport on Tuesday afternoon.

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Nathan Sharpe (72)
The incident, which has been referred to the Australian Rugby Union's integrity unit for investigation, culminated in Patston's departure from Buenos Aires two days' later, with coach Ewen McKenzie missing Wallabies training to escort Patston to the airport on Tuesday afternoon.

thats weird in itself - don't you think?
She's not a member of the technical or coaching staff.
Am I the only one who thinks it must be serious for Link to miss training in the week prior to a test?
 

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David Codey (61)
Suggest that RUPA gets involved early on this one, particularly after the ignorant way the ARU handled the Dublin matter without them.
Integrity applies at all levels, not just with players.
RUPA should only be involved in long term disciplinary actions.
Short term he should have been dropped from the playing squad.
It's utter bullshit that a player can have a such violent argument with a senior member of management,that she leaves the tour the next day,and Link claims he doesn't know enough about the matter to make any disciplinary decisions.
As an aside,it reflects poorly upon the journalists on the ground, that Link wasn't asked to explain his absence from the teams training run.
 

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Will Genia (78)
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thats weird in itself - don't you think?
She's not a member of the technical or coaching staff.
Am I the only one who thinks it must be serious for Link to miss training in the week prior to a test?

Maybe Link wanted the opportunity for some one on one time to get her side of the story in full in case it had an impact on his decisions for the remaining few days of the tour.
 

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Nathan Sharpe (72)
Maybe Link wanted the opportunity for some one on one time to get her side of the story in full in case it had an impact on his decisions for the remaining few days of the tour.

Sure. But even then he's got a man management issue coming into a very important game if he's seen to be siding (even if only to get her story) with a non-player.
I know I'm jumping to conclusions but it suggests to me it must have been reasonably serious.
 

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Will Genia (78)
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Sure. But even then he's got a man management issue coming into a very important game if he's seen to be siding (even if only to get her story) with a non-player.
I know I'm jumping to conclusions but it suggests to me it must have been reasonably serious.

It could be a bit the other way though.

Obviously the situation is swayed somewhat by the fact we have a test on Saturday and To'omua is potentially injured. On that basis there is a greater desire to keep a player on the tour that in a perfect world might have been sent home immediately.

Maybe Link's reaction to the incident was that he didn't think it was that serious and subsequently he was a) keeping KB (Kurtley Beale) on tour and b) planning to select him but he wanted to confirm things with the staff member going home and potentially reassure her that the incident wasn't being ignored.

So much conjecture and so little information at this stage. It's certainly a strange series of events.
 

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Nathan Sharpe (72)
It could be a bit the other way though.

Obviously the situation is swayed somewhat by the fact we have a test on Saturday and To'omua is potentially injured. On that basis there is a greater desire to keep a player on the tour that in a perfect world might have been sent home immediately.

Maybe Link's reaction to the incident was that he didn't think it was that serious and subsequently he was a) keeping KB (Kurtley Beale) on tour and b) planning to select him but he wanted to confirm things with the staff member going home and potentially reassure her that the incident wasn't being ignored.

So much conjecture and so little information at this stage. It's certainly a strange series of events.

As usual its hard to punch holes in your analysis.......but .........
I would hope that whatever our situation if it warranted it he would not be allowed to play just because we cannot really afford to lose the game and we might be in the shit without him.
Thats probably a triumph of hope over experience given the Dublin response.
 
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I agree with that IS. I just hope this is dealt with impartially, swiftly and based on upholding certain standards, not this week's game.

They acted swiftly to cut JOC (James O'Connor) loose, I'd lose a lot of respect for Link is he favored Beale in any way due to their history.
 

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Will Genia (78)
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As usual its hard to punch holes in your analysis...but ...
I would hope that whatever our situation if it warranted it he would not be allowed to play just because we cannot really afford to lose the game and we might be in the shit without him.
Thats probably a triumph of hope over experience given the Dublin response.

You'd hope that Link hasn't made a decision purely because he feels like he needs KB (Kurtley Beale) for this Saturday. It certainly seems that if the incident was really serious he would have put his foot down and Beale would have come home.
 

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David Codey (61)
In what way does it seem that if the incident was really serious he would have put his foot down and Beale would have come home?

By what he says,or by what he does?
 

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Will Genia (78)
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In what way does it seem that if the incident was really serious he would have put his foot down and Beale would have come home?

By what he says,or by what he does?

From previous events.

Surely the fact that McKenzie has kept Beale with the side provides an indication that the incident isn't extremely serious. That said, given his disciplinary record, this specific incident might not be serious enough to warrant sending him home immediately but it could easily make the ARU decide that offering a contract for 2015 isn't something they continue with.
 

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Mark Ella (57)
A vast difference in how the abs approached the Cruden matter and this. Also in how quickly Cruden accepted full responsibility and expressed genuine remorse. When was the last time a wallaby appeared like that after an incident. to me it shows the respect of those involved for the teams and his strong the ethos is.The fact is incidents happen, it's how they are dealt with that matters not only by management but by the individual.
 

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Alex Ross (28)
In the cold light of day - particularly after reading the job description - this seems like a bit of a beat-up.

Breaking news: An employee has a stoush with HR.
 

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Steve Williams (59)
A vast difference in how the abs approached the Cruden matter and this.

To be fair, Cruden made the "No tour" response easy for the ABs when he was already a no show for the tour.

And yes it was genuine, but he looked like a prize dick out in the open, cut and dried, so of course he had the public mea culpa.
 

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David Codey (61)
From previous events.

Surely the fact that McKenzie has kept Beale with the side provides an indication that the incident isn't extremely serious. That said, given his disciplinary record, this specific incident might not be serious enough to warrant sending him home immediately but it could easily make the ARU decide that offering a contract for 2015 isn't something they continue with.
From previous events?
You mean Ireland, when he postponed the punishment for a game of his choosing?
Keeping Beale in the side is the best outcome for Link this week.

What is the management-speak? past behaviours are the best indicators of future behaviour. He is a pragmatist.

Let's be honest. He knows what happened in detail.FFS the manager in charge of HR & player discipline left the tour early due to this issue.
Either KB (Kurtley Beale) has no case to answer,or he is in big trouble.
If he has no case to answer Link would not be referring it to some bullshit panel to sort out later,he would be publicly backing the player.
 

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John Hipwell (52)
In the cold light of day - particularly after reading the job description - this seems like a bit of a beat-up.

Breaking news: An employee has a stoush with HR.


But is was serious enough the HR employee goes home - sent or of her own accord? That doesn't happen.

This is concerning and the delayed punishment is a worry, seems to be a trend developing. Pulver needs to get on the front foot about this, his silence is also a concern.
 
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