Don't want to burst your bubble but it's not rocket science.
My 10 yr old said the same thing
It was more that I posted that before the Tahs game and they duly proved me right. It would be nice if it wasn't so predictable.
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It was more that I posted that before the Tahs game and they duly proved me right. It would be nice if it wasn't so predictable.
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Sydney Middleton (9)
Another dire season done and dusted. I just looked back at how confident I was before the start of the season, and whilst I was probably over optimistic it has turned out much worse than I could have imagined.
Basic skills like tackling properly and kicking are missing, mentally they were out of it after a few games. I'm ambivalent about Stiles, easy to blast your players for not doing what you supposedly tell them but as head coach if you can't get them to do what you want then you have failed... It's got shades of RG all over again. But if the players aren't listening then do you turf out the worst offenders or cut at the top?
Always will be a Reds fan but my patience has been tested to the limit and beyond and I really don't know what to expect for next year apart from more of the same listless penalty riddled poor performances.
2011 seems like decades ago, not years...
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Basic skills like tackling properly and kicking are missing, mentally they were out of it after a few games. I'm ambivalent about Stiles, easy to blast your players for not doing what you supposedly tell them but as head coach if you can't get them to do what you want then you have failed... It's got shades of RG all over again. But if the players aren't listening then do you turf out the worst offenders or cut at the top?
Always will be a Reds fan but my patience has been tested to the limit and beyond and I really don't know what to expect for next year apart from more of the same listless penalty riddled poor performances.
2011 seems like decades ago, not years...
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John Hipwell (52)
We have had coaches say QC (Quade Cooper) is one of the best implementers of a game plan they have worked with yet a few people say he does what he wants.
No doubt he isn't having a great year but I do wonder how much of the 'does what he wants' is perception and not reality.
No doubt he isn't having a great year but I do wonder how much of the 'does what he wants' is perception and not reality.
Lee Enfield
Jimmy Flynn (14)
If Richard Graham was a mini bus, Stiles is starting to look a van....
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Ken Catchpole (46)
I should clarify what I mean by "he does what he wants".
I think I does implement the game plans better than most.
However, he is also given the latitude to deviate when he sees the opportunity. I've said before that I think he's one of the best readers of the game, and I still maintain that is true. watching him live so often it's unbelievable how far ahead of everyone else he is in terms of his where the game is going to be played.
I believe that coaches were right to give him this latitude. And probably should still, to a degree.
The problem I see is that his execution these days is way off being able to take advantage of the opportunities he so often recognises.
Take that cross field kick under penalty advantage (out on the full). Take any NZ half or Fb, and that kick would have gone to hand and a try scored. QC (Quade Cooper) cannot execute it now for whatever reason. We are left with a cop out "well it was under penalty advantage so doesn't really matter" when we should really lament the lost 7 points.
Or the "flat" passes that are now called forward because drops off his pass making it look forward as opposed to continuing forward to mask the "flatness". Who's the coach that's game enough to correct that? I doubt anyone's even tried to - but really QC (Quade Cooper) needs to.
I think he's fantastic, but he's badly in need of a head doctor and maybe even a reality check.
I think I does implement the game plans better than most.
However, he is also given the latitude to deviate when he sees the opportunity. I've said before that I think he's one of the best readers of the game, and I still maintain that is true. watching him live so often it's unbelievable how far ahead of everyone else he is in terms of his where the game is going to be played.
I believe that coaches were right to give him this latitude. And probably should still, to a degree.
The problem I see is that his execution these days is way off being able to take advantage of the opportunities he so often recognises.
Take that cross field kick under penalty advantage (out on the full). Take any NZ half or Fb, and that kick would have gone to hand and a try scored. QC (Quade Cooper) cannot execute it now for whatever reason. We are left with a cop out "well it was under penalty advantage so doesn't really matter" when we should really lament the lost 7 points.
Or the "flat" passes that are now called forward because drops off his pass making it look forward as opposed to continuing forward to mask the "flatness". Who's the coach that's game enough to correct that? I doubt anyone's even tried to - but really QC (Quade Cooper) needs to.
I think he's fantastic, but he's badly in need of a head doctor and maybe even a reality check.
Strewthcobber
Andrew Slack (58)
Is it just his body (knees/shoulders) can't reliably do what it used to?
What I find amazing is that someone like DP isn't practicing goal kicking every day of his life.
If he could turn himself even into an average goal kicker he'd be just about first picked.
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What I find amazing is that someone like DP isn't practicing goal kicking every day of his life.
If he could turn himself even into an average goal kicker he'd be just about first picked.
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I actually thought George Smith played better at halfback then Nick Frisby did
Strewthcobber
Andrew Slack (58)
He did a great job with his scrum feed. Skipped the second row an straight under higgers feet
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The torpedo
Peter Fenwicke (45)
Incidentally we scored 2 tries when Pickle was in the bin.
The crowd even cheered when he didn't return
tragic
John Solomon (38)
The predictability was what I was referring to.
It was prophetic but in a "I predict the sun will rise in the east and set in the west tomorrow" kinda way.
Thinker
Darby Loudon (17)
The only positive for the Reds was the Genia story disappearing so quickly.
I cannot recall a home player ever being as unpopular as Frisby is right now and he'd even challenge the majority of the Waratahs over the years.
Friday was eerily quiet even for a small crowd of 12k, with the only atmosphere coming when the Reds scored, the deserved booing and the groans whenever Frisby got involved.
Would have been interesting trying to sell 2018 to fans with Stiles and Frisby while the most popular Reds player of the last decade (and best Australian in the position) told he wasn't wanted.
I cannot recall a home player ever being as unpopular as Frisby is right now and he'd even challenge the majority of the Waratahs over the years.
Friday was eerily quiet even for a small crowd of 12k, with the only atmosphere coming when the Reds scored, the deserved booing and the groans whenever Frisby got involved.
Would have been interesting trying to sell 2018 to fans with Stiles and Frisby while the most popular Reds player of the last decade (and best Australian in the position) told he wasn't wanted.
The torpedo
Peter Fenwicke (45)
Next home game, to make noise, everyone attending should start chanting this at the appropriate times:
liquor box
Peter Sullivan (51)
I get the feeling that Stiles will do his best to offload Frisby
Strewthcobber
Andrew Slack (58)
He re-signed with the Reds for 2018 & 2019 just over 3 months ago
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Jim Lenehan (48)
Great line on the Report Card today; switch the coaches at the start of the season and the Reds probably win by fifty. It was a mistake to take Stiles over Matt O'Connor.
No it wasn't
Ash
Michael Lynagh (62)
Agree, MOC also would have been a disaster.
Anyway, Stiles needs to go sadly.
http://www.theroar.com.au/2017/05/27/stiles-slams-fellow-reds-after-force-loss/
You can't tell me there's not coaching issues in there.....
Awesome, back to blaming players and coaches taking no responsibility. That kind of tirade won't get his players hungry. Way to get his senior players offside with the coaching staff.
Bringing in kids to suffer 50-point hidings from the NZ teams.....I hope he's not serious.
Who will he drop? Moore, Higgers, Simmons, Smith, Tui in the forwards? Frisby (sure), Hunt, Nabuli, Kuridrani (sure) in the backs? My god, when the reserves have come on it's been shocking, we'll be slaughtered.
Sigh.
Meanwhile, Kerevi as captain was just a bizarre choice. Why?
Anyway, Stiles needs to go sadly.
http://www.theroar.com.au/2017/05/27/stiles-slams-fellow-reds-after-force-loss/
You can't tell me there's not coaching issues in there.....
Awesome, back to blaming players and coaches taking no responsibility. That kind of tirade won't get his players hungry. Way to get his senior players offside with the coaching staff.
Bringing in kids to suffer 50-point hidings from the NZ teams.....I hope he's not serious.
Who will he drop? Moore, Higgers, Simmons, Smith, Tui in the forwards? Frisby (sure), Hunt, Nabuli, Kuridrani (sure) in the backs? My god, when the reserves have come on it's been shocking, we'll be slaughtered.
Sigh.
Meanwhile, Kerevi as captain was just a bizarre choice. Why?
Dismal Pillock
Simon Poidevin (60)
My playing days are over.
Besides, I was a natural, therefore, didn't have to practice.
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