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Bob Loudon (25)
Korzyck and Rodda as well? Is that information accurate? Wow, if it is, along with Tui and Kerevi rumours then it really is a departure lounge.
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Korzyck and Rodda as well? Is that information accurate? Wow, if it is, along with Tui and Kerevi rumours then it really is a departure lounge.
Scrubber2050
Mark Ella (57)
Absolute clusterfuck at Ballymore .
Has the place ever been as bad even when RG was in charge.
The current blokes of BT Lillycrap Cordingly and of course Miller need to take responsibility.
Players not wanted players wanting or are leaving players not happy and players not wanting to come.
Maybe it's time to do a Penrirh
Has the place ever been as bad even when RG was in charge.
The current blokes of BT Lillycrap Cordingly and of course Miller need to take responsibility.
Players not wanted players wanting or are leaving players not happy and players not wanting to come.
Maybe it's time to do a Penrirh
liquor box
Greg Davis (50)
I think the cultural change is present and the players leaving dont want to work hard enough for their spot or dont care.
The change is there but is not being bought by the players.
SouthernX
Peter Johnson (47)
Bingo.
Some of these young men have been taken out of their comfort zones due to Brad Thorn gruelling training sessions & selection policies where no jersey is safe.
I think there’s been a culture shock betweenness Brad Thorn All blacks way compared to the moddly koddling wrap in cotton wool qld way
SouthernX
Peter Johnson (47)
The wallabies suck dude. We’ve dropped test series to england & Ireland on Aussie soil. Eddie Jones or Robbie Deans never got us this rock bottom.
I’m a Australian fan thru & thru but even I know they are underperformers
Actually, he kinda did. We avoided losing to Ireland by about a foot with an Irish drop kick barely missing the posts (some Irish fans think it went over), and then lost to England, both in the RWC 2003. On Aussie soil.
dru
Tim Horan (67)
It depends on what was happening behind the scenes in training and general discussion. But in absence of these details I agree with you.
Those things count little to his form or direct ability.
Slim 293
Stirling Mortlock (74)
Samoa?
Derpus
George Gregan (70)
Had more to do with versing both England and Ireland at their absolute peak. England were nearly 20 on the trot when we had to deal with them. Ireland had just won the grand slam and are probably the best Irish team ever.
The Wallabies are significantly more competitive among their peers than the Reds.
SouthernX
Peter Johnson (47)
Any wallabies vs reds hottake comparison is stupid anyways.
Comparing the free market/come as you are bidding war of super rugby where players are allowed to switch as they wish (once they become free agents) compared to the national jersey where defections are not allowed. It’s a Apple/oranges comprison.
The culture at the reds is fine.
Comparing the free market/come as you are bidding war of super rugby where players are allowed to switch as they wish (once they become free agents) compared to the national jersey where defections are not allowed. It’s a Apple/oranges comprison.
The culture at the reds is fine.
RedsHappy
Tony Shaw (54)
Where _precisely_ is the hard evidence for this? Not what you hope, what is verifiable fact.
I know we’ve had the media sprouting ‘culture change’ early in this year’s season, ‘heavy BT special gym sessions’ and so on, but the only meaningful evidence has to be in consistently improved team results and a manifestly better squad ready for 2019 than ended 2018.
eldiablo
Ted Fahey (11)
Reds advertising for a new Assistant Coach (Attack)
https://www.sportspeople.com.au/sp/position/PositionDisplay.asp?ID=55472
https://www.sportspeople.com.au/sp/position/PositionDisplay.asp?ID=55472
RedsHappy
Tony Shaw (54)
For many years now, in terms of 'taking real responsibility' for the multiple debacles, disasters and deadbeats at and around the QRU/Reds, we know only too well the culture and MO has been one of a 'responsibility-free zone'.
I cannot think of an instance in the last 5 years or so when a top QRU exec or board member has stood up/out and said 'these outcomes are totally and utterly unacceptable, we the board/execs/whomever (delete as applicable) are responsible and now we are going to fix it and we must'.
A responsibility-free zone is a marker of poor and weak leadership that blame-shifts, evades and pours out an endless stream of excuses as its central way of operating.
Ignoto
John Thornett (49)
Couple of interesting takes from that.
It'd be interesting to know what the end of year review states about the current coaching team meeting these measures.
RedsHappy
Tony Shaw (54)
This will be a great marker as to whether the QRU and BT are dead serious regarding the urgent need to fix the Reds and properly so.
If a genuine world-class Attack AC is found and appointed, a small scintilla of belief may return to this Reds' fan.
If we see another 'good QLD rugby man, long associated with the game here' propped up with board and QRU diaspora mates, we will know the long road to the very bad ending is thereby re-affirmed.
Scrubber2050
Mark Ella (57)
Any wallabies vs reds hottake comparison is stupid anyways.
Comparing the free market/come as you are bidding war of super rugby where players are allowed to switch as they wish (once they become free agents) compared to the national jersey where defections are not allowed. It’s a Apple/oranges comprison.
The culture at the reds is fine.
Comparing the free market/come as you are bidding war of super rugby where players are allowed to switch as they wish (once they become free agents) compared to the national jersey where defections are not allowed. It’s a Apple/oranges comprison.
The culture at the reds is fine.
^^^^^
With respect I think your last sentence is wrong wrong and erong
Derpus
George Gregan (70)
dru
Tim Horan (67)
"Culture" is not simply HC to playing squad.
It is also HQ and operations. The scenario with $ being left on the side line is a definite conflict between HQ/Operations and Coach. Perhaps that is at this point historical? Hard to know but it is only part of the current trend.
Wherever issues lie:-
x the reported numbers wishing to leave
x player investment simply left out
x the quantity of gaps in the squad
x absence of CEO
x reports of outside players showing initial interest and then reverting to no interest
whether or not the players desiring to leave stack up to Thorn's benchmarks, this all suggests a systemic problem.
There is no way I can arrive at a conclusion of "the reds culture is just fine". Like an alcoholic, the sooner there is admission of the problem the sooner we have a chance to hit bottom. And hopefully bounce.
It is also HQ and operations. The scenario with $ being left on the side line is a definite conflict between HQ/Operations and Coach. Perhaps that is at this point historical? Hard to know but it is only part of the current trend.
Wherever issues lie:-
x the reported numbers wishing to leave
x player investment simply left out
x the quantity of gaps in the squad
x absence of CEO
x reports of outside players showing initial interest and then reverting to no interest
whether or not the players desiring to leave stack up to Thorn's benchmarks, this all suggests a systemic problem.
There is no way I can arrive at a conclusion of "the reds culture is just fine". Like an alcoholic, the sooner there is admission of the problem the sooner we have a chance to hit bottom. And hopefully bounce.