Shute Shield 2012

[Iluvmyfooty]

Try this - schools play mid-week and leave the weekend to club rugby. The JGS or NTS or whatever is disbanded and the funds saved and the coaches that used to be used in the program are now used in creating, with the senior clubs in partnership,a development set-up where the players 16 - 18 are exposed to senior training workouts and a more professional outfit. The senior clubs work with the junior clubs to ensure that a strong interdistrict competition is run (like a state knockout but run every week).

Sounds good - won't happen in a million yeasr as the senior clubs aren't interested in junior development, the junior clubs won't give up bragging rights to State titles, the schools won't agree to anything and the ARU won't let go

 

[EVERYFWDTHINKTHEYREA6OR7]

My fear is that similar to the Rugby League we have too many Unions that conflict.

The AFL have it right and Rugby League is heading in the right direction.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Try this - schools play mid-week and leave the weekend to club rugby. The JGS or NTS or whatever is disbanded and the funds saved and the coaches that used to be used in the program are now used in creating, with the senior clubs in partnership,a development set-up where the players 16 - 18 are exposed to senior training workouts and a more professional outfit. The senior clubs work with the junior clubs to ensure that a strong interdistrict competition is run (like a state knockout but run every week).

Sounds good - won't happen in a million yeasr as the senior clubs aren't interested in junior development, the junior clubs won't give up bragging rights to State titles, the schools won't agree to anything and the ARU won't let go

You've solved it and established it will never be solved all in one post.


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I am here: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=22.217916,-159.495011

 

[latrell247]

fantastic idea, but your right, it would never happen

 

[lily]

Q? I'f I am a talented 17 year old who actually would prefer to spend my free time surfing where does this plan leave me?

 

[matty_k]

Southern France as west as possible.
But I'm guessing you want to stay local.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Q? I'f I am a talented 17 year old who actually would prefer to spend my free time surfing where does this plan leave me?

Following the wrong forum?


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I am here: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=22.217916,-159.495011

 

[#1 Tah]

Is moving juniors to sunday really the best way to do it?

I preface this by saying I know little about sydney junior rugby, but I would have thought we'd be better suited to follow the kiwi model and kill the junior club rugby at about 13 and have kids play for their school. Makes logistical sense with regards to training and the like, its just the competitive structures are not in place.

Maybe I'm just confused by what ages groups you are referring to when you say juniors.

Sydney Juniors already play on Sunday, this is due to the GPS and CAS competitions being played on Saturdays. Killing juniors at 13 would leave 1000s of kids like me who dont go to rugby schools stranded.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Sydney Juniors already play on Sunday, this is due to the GPS and CAS competitions being played on Saturdays. Killing juniors at 13 would leave 1000s of kids like me who dont go to rugby schools stranded.

You are the kids around whom the comps should be designed

 

[Bowside]

Sydney Juniors already play on Sunday, this is due to the GPS and CAS competitions being played on Saturdays. Killing juniors at 13 would leave 1000s of kids like me who dont go to rugby schools stranded.

I bet you wish it was but. For all its faults, schoolboy rugby is pretty special. I've never experiences the same atmosphere junior club games. I think the way forward is to turn every school into a rugby school, start small with 1 team in senior and then move to 1 team per grade, and then expand from there. As I said, the competitive structures are not in place, and there are simply not enough coaches and rugby people to go around, but you have to wonder what the powers that be are doing about this? Do they even try to push rugby in non traditional schools, or are they just resigned to the fact that its only ever going to be played at school by the privileged few...

Back to the shield.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

who are the powers that be you refer to who are going to push rugby in schools, and provide coaches or coach mentoring etc to the non traditional schools? Is it ARU, NSW RU, Waratahs, SRU or the Shute Shield clubs?

Shute Shield clubs by and large are running on the smell of an oily rag, and in most cases, are struggling to stay out of bankruptcy.

SRU - I don't know too much about, but having just been reformed probably have no resources of residual capacity to "develop the game"

NSW RU - Pretty much focused on who has the better leather patches on their blazer, and the politics of determining who's dick is longer. No money as well.

Waratahs Inc - revenue is way down. Why develop grass roots when the established rugby schools will do it for us.

ARU - What happened to the $40 m surplus from 2003 RWC that was set aside for "grass roots". Didn't see too much down here in Jarseland.

Anyway, my segue back to Shute Shield is the point that the clubs by and large have stuff all money and are focused more on survival rather than expansion. The basic level of Moslow's hierarchy of needs.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

who are the powers that be you refer to who are going to push rugby in schools, and provide coaches or coach mentoring etc to the non traditional schools? Is it ARU, NSW RU, Waratahs, SRU or the Shute Shield clubs?

Shute Shield clubs by and large are running on the smell of an oily rag, and in most cases, are struggling to stay out of bankruptcy.

SRU - I don't know too much about, but having just been reformed probably have no resources of residual capacity to "develop the game"

NSW RU - Pretty much focused on who has the better leather patches on their blazer, and the politics of determining who's dick is longer. No money as well.

Waratahs Inc - revenue is way down. Why develop grass roots when the established rugby schools will do it for us.

ARU - What happened to the $40 m surplus from 2003 RWC that was set aside for "grass roots". Didn't see too much down here in Jarseland.

Absofuckinglootely spot on

 

[Bowside]

who are the powers that be you refer to who are going to push rugby in schools, and provide coaches or coach mentoring etc to the non traditional schools? Is it ARU, NSW RU, Waratahs, SRU or the Shute Shield clubs?

Shute Shield clubs by and large are running on the smell of an oily rag, and in most cases, are struggling to stay out of bankruptcy.

SRU - I don't know too much about, but having just been reformed probably have no resources of residual capacity to "develop the game"

NSW RU - Pretty much focused on who has the better leather patches on their blazer, and the politics of determining who's dick is longer. No money as well.

Waratahs Inc - revenue is way down. Why develop grass roots when the established rugby schools will do it for us.

ARU - What happened to the $40 m surplus from 2003 RWC that was set aside for "grass roots". Didn't see too much down here in Jarseland.

Anyway, my segue back to Shute Shield is the point that the clubs by and large have stuff all money and are focused more on survival rather than expansion. The basic level of Moslow's hierarchy of needs.

I would say joint NSWRU and ARU. Leave the club to their own devices, they have a hard enough time getting by as it is.

I think you hit the nail on the head with the sentences I bolded.

 

[blindsider]

Try this - schools play mid-week and leave the weekend to club rugby.

Public schools play mid-week.
I know randwick boys and most of the other schools (CHS anyway) play wednesday arvo's. Thats why they can play school footy, plus league and union on the weekends, which quite a few of them do....

 

[stonecutter]

Just throwing this out there for comment.

One of the inherent problems with Australian rugby is the gap left by not continuing the ill fated ARC. With talk of an altered Shute shield season next year why can't we revive a mini provincial competition to help bridge the playing gap. The major excuse given was the costs involved so lets run this as an incentive for players to show their wares in the chance to gain a S15 contract similar to the ITM cup.

Shute shield played over 11 rounds (home/away in alternate years) with 5 team finals series. Teams then act as feeder clubs to their nominated provinces. As provinces are located within a 2hr drive of Sydney, transport costs are minimalised.

Possible teams;

1. Newcastle - including players up to Coffs Harbour
2. Central Coast - Bluetongue stadium
3. Sydney Central - Uni/Norths
4. Sydney East - Randwick/Easts
5. Sydney West - Parramatta/West Harbour
6. Sydney Coastal - Manly/Warringah
7. Sydney North - Eastwood/Gordon
8. Southern - Souths + Illawarra down to Nowra
9. Canberra - Not contracted Brumbies only players in local comp
10. Greater Western - based at Bathurst and including Penrith players plus Central West players

Players are selected on performances in Shute/comp games including going head to head with opposition for spot when clubs clash in Shute game. Players are only paid to cover costs of travel/training (5-10K) with the opportunity to play at a higher level the lead incentive plus a $10K per player fee to the winners. If a player thinks they're above this and want more then opportunity to travel overseas is available and there will be others who will take their shot. ARU to fund the comp and if a profit can be raised through sponsorships/advertising is rolled back into the project.

Limit each team to only 2 players from outside teams aligned to the province. Players not selected at provincial level to continue on at club with promoted reserve graders in revised 2 x pool comp (5 rounds) for rankings into a knockout championship (ie; 1a vs 6b, 2a vs 5b then highest winner vs lowest winner until 2 teams left).

Independant selectors used to alleviate apathy around provincial selections from domineering club officials and an under 20's comp run in conjuction with a smaller win bonus.

Or do we just watch Eastwood play Uni for the next decade?

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Just throwing this out there for comment.

One of the inherent problems with Australian rugby is the gap left by not continuing the ill fated ARC. With talk of an altered Shute shield season next year why can't we revive a mini provincial competition to help bridge the playing gap. The major excuse given was the costs involved so lets run this as an incentive for players to show their wares in the chance to gain a S15 contract similar to the ITM cup.

Shute shield played over 11 rounds (home/away in alternate years) with 5 team finals series. Teams then act as feeder clubs to their nominated provinces. As provinces are located within a 2hr drive of Sydney, transport costs are minimalised.

Possible teams;

1. Newcastle - including players up to Coffs Harbour
2. Central Coast - Bluetongue stadium
3. Sydney Central - Uni/Norths
4. Sydney East - Randwick/Easts
5. Sydney West - Parramatta/West Harbour
6. Sydney Coastal - Manly/Warringah
7. Sydney North - Eastwood/Gordon
8. Southern - Souths + Illawarra down to Nowra
9. Canberra - Not contracted Brumbies only players in local comp
10. Greater Western - based at Bathurst and including Penrith players plus Central West players

Players are selected on performances in Shute/comp games including going head to head with opposition for spot when clubs clash in Shute game. Players are only paid to cover costs of travel/training (5-10K) with the opportunity to play at a higher level the lead incentive plus a $10K per player fee to the winners. If a player thinks they're above this and want more then opportunity to travel overseas is available and there will be others who will take their shot. ARU to fund the comp and if a profit can be raised through sponsorships/advertising is rolled back into the project.

Limit each team to only 2 players from outside teams aligned to the province. Players not selected at provincial level to continue on at club with promoted reserve graders in revised 2 x pool comp (5 rounds) for rankings into a knockout championship (ie; 1a vs 6b, 2a vs 5b then highest winner vs lowest winner until 2 teams left).

Independant selectors used to alleviate apathy around provincial selections from domineering club officials and an under 20's comp run in conjuction with a smaller win bonus.

Or do we just watch Eastwood play Uni for the next decade?

Do Eastwood have a lot of money? My impression is that most of their talent is local: their local area is a very strong rugby area.
Uni, on the other hand, need a salary cap.

 

[stonecutter]

Do Eastwood have a lot of money? My impression is that most of their talent is local: their local area is a very strong rugby area.
Uni, on the other hand, need a salary cap.

Not necessarily, but if you want to play for the Waratahs it seems to help if you come from Eastwood

 

[Jnor]

Do Eastwood have a lot of money? My impression is that most of their talent is local: their local area is a very strong rugby area.
Uni, on the other hand, need a salary cap.

Both teams attract players because they have quality, successful set-ups. Uni players don't get any payment for playing, either. They have access to better facilities and probably more specialised coaching than probably all other Shute clubs, and being able to study there as well probably helps.

 

[blindsider]

Anyone know when the 2012 draw is coming out??

 

[lily]

Vultures. How many kids growing up in Camperdown say this to their dad. When I grow up I want to play for Sydney Uni. None. Same goes for the other locally developed talent that plays for all Shute Shield Clubs.
We as loyal fans would like the players to stay local but I for one wouldn't blame a player for looking for a better opportunity financially as their shelflife is very limited. That said the Woodies team this year weren't filled with too many Epping Boys and Uni the same with the boys from Fort Street.