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HogansHeros

Bob Loudon (25)
Grose Cup standings - look at the post above to see the run home:

TeamPWDLFADfBPPts
Merrylands990037356317945
Sydney Irish9702284126158836
Rockdale960322417648630
Redfield950421517144626
Chatswood950420619313725
Western Raptors940521217240521
Wakehurst/Brothers9306148271-123214
Lane Cove9405140203-63313
Renegades9207138267-129513
Macquarie Uni900956361-3050-4

Merrylands runaway favourites from here. Would be an absolute miracle if they don't go through undefeated.

Irish will be solid and potentially outplay other teams with structure.

Rockdale will have learned a lot and could make the GF.

Redfield - as with First Grade, always dangerous. There will be more coming into teams as finals approach.

Chatswood are going to suffer a little for numbers I think, and the performance of their First Grade. Stack likely.

Raptors might look at both tables and start stacking to hang onto top 6

Wakehurst/Brothers had a good win on the weekend but that might be the last they get

Lane Cove will put on a late-season surge and grab a finals spot is my guess

Renegades.... we'd need to win everything from here with BPs against 6th, 7th, 3rd, 2nd, and 8th... big ask, particularly as our only "wins" are forfeits. Not enough consistency or cohesion, but its 2nd grade...

Mac Uni - now exams are over they'll probably play every game but none of them will be easy.
Any clubs looking able to get a colts together to go up to div 3 next season?
 

TheBigArvo

Ward Prentice (10)
Interesting run in for McClean Cup. The table looks like a couple of gaps are appearing:

TeamPWDLFADfBPPts
Sydney Irish98014751403351042
Merrylands980144065375941
Rockdale970228919792531
Redfield9603339196143731
Renegades9504235259-24424
Wakehurst9405240319-79420
Western Raptors9306231345-114416
Macquarie Uni9306241401-160416
Northern Saints9108128475-34737
Chatswood9009200421-22166


Irish (1) look to have the toughest run in but can win all these games: Rockdale (3), Merrylands (2), Chatswood (10), Renegades (5), Redfield (4)

Merrylands (2) should finish first or second: Chatswood (10), Irish (1), Raptors (7), Wakehurst (6), Mac Uni (8)

Rockdale (3) will fancy their chances of holding third spot: Irish (1), Mac Uni (8), Renegades (5), Chatswood (10), Raptors (7)

Redfield (4) are always dangerous come finals time and will be quietly confident: Mac Uni (8), Chatswood (10), Wakehurst (6), Saints (9), Irish (1)

Renegades (5) need to get some more cohesion if they're to threaten: Raptors (7), Wakehurst (6), Rockdale (3), Irish (1), Saints (9)

Wakehurst (6) will welcome back their Colts to boost numbers for a finals spot: Saints (9), Renegades (5), Redfield (4), Merrylands (1), Chatswood (10)

Raptors (7) have challenges pushing up a spot from a game back: Renegades (5), Saints (9), Merrylands (1), Mac Uni (8), Rockdale (3)

Mac Uni (8) have a mountain to climb: Redfield (4), Rockdale (3), Saints (9), Raptors (7), Merrylands (1)

Saints (9) are mathematically unlikely but will want to grab some late-season wins: Wakehurst (6), Raptors (7), Mac Uni (8), Redfield (4), Renegades (5)

Chatswood (10) are not realistic chances with this list: Merrylands (2), Redfield (4), Irish (1), Rockdale (3), Wakehurst (6)
Pfitzy are Subbies planning a 5 team finals series this year with the bigger comp or keeping it at 4 teams?
 

Pfitzy

George Gregan (70)
Any clubs looking able to get a colts together to go up to div 3 next season?

I have no info on that directly, but surmise the following, running down the list of clubs:

Irish probably don't have the capacity to do this. They've got good men's sides but no real base to recruit from after Randwick, Easts, and other clubs pick over their catchment.

Merrylands have started Juniors (and womens) this year, and no doubt putting a Colts team on the park is a goal. With Two Blues right around the corner, that might happen sooner than later (my assumption - no real mail on this).

Rockdale could certainly look at it - they've got a few guys who are former Southern Districts and probably some connections there. They have juniors access as well.

Raptors were Third Div then hit a wall after their incident with Briars. Certainly there are juniors there, and they are able to capture a few league kids who are looking for a change, but it will be a case of stabilising their senior grades as a priority.

Redfield have been there before, but standing up Colts doesn't seem to be any easier, even with a school association.

Renegades would like to get Colts going, and will have some eligible players within our current group for 2024. It is getting the rest of them that is the issue. Wouldn't do more than Radford Cup to start but could see us building.

Saints had Colts recently, but don't have 2 Grades at this point.

Wakehurst have Colts right now, but again: 2 Grades?

Chatswood no Colts. Numbers for 2 Grades edge case.

Mac Uni have a lot of Colts age players but getting that in addition to 2 Grades is tough.
 

Pfitzy

George Gregan (70)
Pfitzy are Subbies planning a 5 team finals series this year with the bigger comp or keeping it at 4 teams?

Top 6 is what I heard last. So that means

Week 1
First & Second get the week off
PF1 - Third plays Sixth
PF2 -Fourth plays Fifth

Week 2
SF1 - First plays lowest ranked winner from Week 1
SF2 - Second plays highest ranked winner from Week 2

Week 3
Grand final - winner SF1 v winner SF2
 

park footy enthusiast

Bob McCowan (2)
I have no info on that directly, but surmise the following, running down the list of clubs:

Irish probably don't have the capacity to do this. They've got good men's sides but no real base to recruit from after Randwick, Easts, and other clubs pick over their catchment.

Merrylands have started Juniors (and womens) this year, and no doubt putting a Colts team on the park is a goal. With Two Blues right around the corner, that might happen sooner than later (my assumption - no real mail on this).

Rockdale could certainly look at it - they've got a few guys who are former Southern Districts and probably some connections there. They have juniors access as well.

Raptors were Third Div then hit a wall after their incident with Briars. Certainly there are juniors there, and they are able to capture a few league kids who are looking for a change, but it will be a case of stabilising their senior grades as a priority.

Redfield have been there before, but standing up Colts doesn't seem to be any easier, even with a school association.

Renegades would like to get Colts going, and will have some eligible players within our current group for 2024. It is getting the rest of them that is the issue. Wouldn't do more than Radford Cup to start but could see us building.

Saints had Colts recently, but don't have 2 Grades at this point.

Wakehurst have Colts right now, but again: 2 Grades?

Chatswood no Colts. Numbers for 2 Grades edge case.

Mac Uni have a lot of Colts age players but getting that in addition to 2 Grades is tough.
Interesting given half the Div 3 teams don’t have their own colts outfits.. all depends on the amount of colts sides the shute clubs have next year I guess, could always see another club borrow a 4ths colts side..
 

The Ghost of Raelene

Steve Williams (59)
Surely with the amount currently existing they will just form their own 4th grade Colts comp?

Will leave Div 3 a 3 team comp in Colts which I can imagine would fall away for those with Colts.
 

Pfitzy

George Gregan (70)
Premier Colts 4 teams have been allowed into the competition with a few goals in mind:

Making sure other clubs have an opposition each week
This is an important factor in ensuring other clubs can retain their Colts and run a competition, results notwithstanding.

Giving these 19yo guys a look at Subbies to see if recruitment is a possibility
I wouldn't say this has been a success overall, because clubs have enough on their plate. You'd like to think there have been discussions about having guys stick around as a team for another year, given our Colts is U21 and Premier is U20.

Trying to hold back a Premier Colts 4 competition
By taking a few teams out of circulation, it might prevent or delay SRU standing up a formalised Colts 4 competition. However I hear this is happening anyway....

Colts in general is a problem - look at Waverley and now Mosman forfeiting as their young blokes head to Europe.

The lack of cohesion in rugby administration and agenda, along with a general sense of player apathy, will continue this decline.
 
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Pfitzy

George Gregan (70)
I'm interested to see whether this is going to be a one-off i.e. being the first winter with borders open in a couple of years.

WIll 2024 be any different? Will Wallaby success change it?
 

Heavyd

Nev Cottrell (35)
I'm interested to see whether this is going to be a one-off i.e. being the first winter with borders open in a couple of years.

WIll 2024 be any different? Will Wallaby success change it?

Something needs to happen as junior partcipation rates are in decline. Lets hope RWC gives the game a massibe boost as the boring Super Rugby comp didnt get much airtime.
 

Pfitzy

George Gregan (70)
Something needs to happen as junior partcipation rates are in decline. Lets hope RWC gives the game a massibe boost as the boring Super Rugby comp didnt get much airtime.

Needs that plus major structural reform in terms of administration i.e. SJRU->Schools->SRU/Subbies

Relying on events-driven outcomes is great when there are events...
 

Eastcoast

Fred Wood (13)
Are Newport the only side that fudges teamsheets?
Will subbies do anything about it?
Does anyone know how the top 4 in Div 1 will end up

All answers are No

Moving onto this weekends football. Hopefully this rain passes and we get another 4 cracking games in Div 1.
Will Camperdown and Hudson be mudpatches?
Will it be freezing at Lapstone?
Will the game of the round be at Boronia?

All answers are Yes.
 

Heavyd

Nev Cottrell (35)
What about the team sheets?

Im not sure how you stack First grade? Isnt stacking by its nature designed to allow higher grade players to qualify for lower grade comps come finals time? Im not close to it but I think they were expecting a return from injury and they pulled out late. Other than an oversight I cant see any malcious or "sinister" outcome. I'll let the conspiracy theorists run with this one as I'm none the wiser.
 
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