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Frank Nicholson (4)
To fix the lack of young players joining subbies clubs could they reduce the colts divisions in Shute shield Divisions. Is there really a need for 3 grades of colts...
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thecarterskid
Peter Burge (5)
From what I've heard they are jack of the complete draw. Every away game almost has to be a Bus Trip
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If NSW Rugby was to "realign" so to speak, would it really be such a bad idea for subbies clubs to affiliate with Shute Shield clubs? It would help with the "rugby pathways" idea of basically starting in 3rd or 4th grade subbies and being able to work up towards Shute Shield or NRC if they wanted.
Obviously for it to go ahead and work there would need to be a drop in the players and grades Shute Shield clubs can field. 2 grades and a colts? A majority of players in 3rds and 4ths aren't going to moving up the ladder to 1sts any time soon. They drop down to their affiliated Subbies team and immediately there are 30 extra grade players minimum driven into subbies. Take away the surplus Colts sides and then we have 30 extra colts players in Subbies.
In order for the Subbies competition to survive, in my opinion it also needs to cap the growth of clubs to force them into other teams. Seeing Colleagues and Mosman run around with 6/7 grades a week and seeing other clubs in their area either die off or run with 1-2 grades is short sighted.
The game of rugby in Sydney just isn't what it used to be in the 80's and 90's with 1st Division being 5 grades with a surplus of players. It needs to be restructured to help clubs grow from 1 to 2 grades, 2 to 3 grades etc. not from 5 grades and colts to 6 grades and a colts.
Obviously for it to go ahead and work there would need to be a drop in the players and grades Shute Shield clubs can field. 2 grades and a colts? A majority of players in 3rds and 4ths aren't going to moving up the ladder to 1sts any time soon. They drop down to their affiliated Subbies team and immediately there are 30 extra grade players minimum driven into subbies. Take away the surplus Colts sides and then we have 30 extra colts players in Subbies.
In order for the Subbies competition to survive, in my opinion it also needs to cap the growth of clubs to force them into other teams. Seeing Colleagues and Mosman run around with 6/7 grades a week and seeing other clubs in their area either die off or run with 1-2 grades is short sighted.
The game of rugby in Sydney just isn't what it used to be in the 80's and 90's with 1st Division being 5 grades with a surplus of players. It needs to be restructured to help clubs grow from 1 to 2 grades, 2 to 3 grades etc. not from 5 grades and colts to 6 grades and a colts.
Maybe time for Subbies in general to look at changing kickoff times? From memory most if not all grounds I've played at this season have lights. Push the times forward by 2 hours. 1sts is played under lights starting at 5.15pm?
Perhaps change the timings of the game too for grades to 30 min halves for all grades except 1sts in Div 1, 2 and 3 (the promotion/relegation divisions)? I know from experience that at Div 5 level, 80 minute players are at a bare minimum of not at all. The standard of rugby drops with about 15-20 mins left if not earlier since a majority of players are socially inclined.
Pfitzy
George Gregan (70)
I think you get a bit of flux with the social v competitive player in lower divisions. As a result, reducing game times is no preparation for clubs being promoted, with players who want to see their club grow.
Don't want to create a haves v have-nots any more than it naturally is.
This bit I definitely agree with. Every week on the unofficial Subbies FB page I see 1st and 2nd Div clubs "desperate" for Halligan fixtures.
Kick a few of those players my way! They'll get all the rugby they want for a bargain price at Rouse Hill RC.
Six weeks to go. . . . . . . Six weeks to go. . . . . . .
Don't want to create a haves v have-nots any more than it naturally is.
This bit I definitely agree with. Every week on the unofficial Subbies FB page I see 1st and 2nd Div clubs "desperate" for Halligan fixtures.
Kick a few of those players my way! They'll get all the rugby they want for a bargain price at Rouse Hill RC.
Six weeks to go. . . . . . . Six weeks to go. . . . . . .
Pfitzy
George Gregan (70)
Need a certain quality of light is the thing - training lights aren't playing lights.
I remember many years ago playing Chatswood at Beauchamp Oval under lights, because it was Anzac Day on the Saturday.
I personally knocked on at the base of the ruck three times on a pick n go and the ref missed it, standing right there
thecarterskid
Peter Burge (5)
I've been thinking the association thing for a while now, there needs to be a way where Shute shield clubs are encouraged to send players to Subbies and vice versa. On the timings I'd go one step further and run Shute Shield on Sundays so the Subbies guys can go watch their associated Shute 1st graders run around. A lot more to work through on it, but I really think it's worth a shot.
Plus, I'd probably brush the NRC and maybe increase/elevate Shute shield???
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laura.ainslie
Peter Burge (5)
Completely agree! We had Manly away last week, Dee Why away this weekend and Burraneer the next. Tough to get the players there, even with the bus, because guys have to work.
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Charlie Fox (21)
Like Communism, great in theory, crap in practice. Colleagues is a great example. They won't go to other Clubs, they'll just play for Convicts. Mosman would just create Balmoral Rugby Club or some such. It could work at Shute level where players have ambition and want to chase the honours.
For the same reason Pfitzy stands against the tsunami of crap that hits him every week or Ossie Bob goes on about the yo-yo BOBs from foreign shores; Subbies players love their Club and will only leave when it folds or the diagnosis is terminal. Sadly they will probably just stop playing if they can't get a run at their preferred Club.
I'm sorry for sounding negative. Your idea is good but I just don't think it could work. Not without a long transition and the death (and birth) of a lot of smaller clubs. Maybe it's the surgery needed to stop the rot.
Cameron McConaughey
Frank Row (1)
Ireland will take you all on
Coach: P O'Mahoney
1 - D O'Sullivan (Syd Irish)
2 - D Bardon (Syd Irish)
3 - P O'Neill (Syd Irish)
4 - C Keane (Syd Irish)
5 - J Kiely (Syd Irish)
6 - P Byrne (Syd Irish)
7 - G Reynolds (Syd Irish)
8 - G Meaney (Syd Irish)
9 - D Ward (Syd Irish)
10 - M Jarret (Syd Irish)
11 - J Mulholland (Syd Irish)
12 - C Neary (Syd Irish)
13 - M Kenny (Syd Irish)
14 - D Kelleher (Syd Irish)
15 - G McQuillan (Syd Irish)
16 - A Cremin (Syd Irish)
17 - C Seery (Syd Irish)
18 - O Collins (Syd Irish)
19 - L Shoyer (Syd Irish)
20 - D Bourke (Syd Irish)
21 - R Cauchi (Syd Irish)
22 - B O'Sullivan (Syd Irish)
Cameron McConaughey
Frank Row (1)
The full fleat will be back next week. We just have to survive another week and we should be fine. If you take out our prop stocks, the rest of the BIL tour has not crucified us to much.
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Saint Yves
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Ireland will take you all on
Coach: P O'Mahoney
1 - D O'Sullivan (Syd Irish)
2 - D Bardon (Syd Irish)
3 - P O'Neill (Syd Irish)
4 - C Keane (Syd Irish)
5 - J Kiely (Syd Irish)
6 - P Byrne (Syd Irish)
7 - G Reynolds (Syd Irish)
8 - G Meaney (Syd Irish)
9 - D Ward (Syd Irish)
10 - M Jarret (Syd Irish)
11 - J Mulholland (Syd Irish)
12 - C Neary (Syd Irish)
13 - M Kenny (Syd Irish)
14 - D Kelleher (Syd Irish)
15 - G McQuillan (Syd Irish)
16 - A Cremin (Syd Irish)
17 - C Seery (Syd Irish)
18 - O Collins (Syd Irish)
19 - L Shoyer (Syd Irish)
20 - D Bourke (Syd Irish)
21 - R Cauchi (Syd Irish)
22 - B O'Sullivan (Syd Irish)
I have made this team just for Bes. Some of these players should be at the top of Eppings recruitment drive for next year too.
Introducing the Japanese Dragons. Surely they are the favourites for the World Cup so far.
Coach - Birchgrove Bes
Home ground - Somerville Oval Epping
1 - P Nikau (Convicts)
2 - J Tato (Drummoyne)
3 - W Kuki (Knox)
4 - S Omido (Beecroft)
5 - W Yeo (Colleagues)
6 - I Tamata (Waverley)
7 - C Ching (Forest)
8 - M Weerakoon (St Ives)
9 - B Yip (Brothers)
10 - J Pan (Lindfield)
11 - A Phan (Epping)
12 - C Phanpho (Iggies)
13 - J Tang (Lane Cove)
14 - J Ireko (Hawksbury)
15 - N Nomoa (Epping)
16 - K Lea (Dukes)
17 - J How (Chatswood)
18 - W Sarwom (UNSW)
Skinny Minny
Chris McKivat (8)
We could try to name a South African team to play the Japanese team....
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BeachBreaker
Frank Nicholson (4)
news around the grounds is that we will be seeing a lot more forfeits throughout the grades. Time for some clubs to merge I reckon.
BeachBreaker
Frank Nicholson (4)
Great work Sandeep. This is catching momentum..I hear the Italians are starting to put a call out for players to commit their loyalties.
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