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Wallabies Trinations Squad

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Keithy

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I agree that Wykes has been given the cold shoulder. Vickerman hasn't even played a full game for Sydney Uni and Wykes is the future not the past for the Wallabies. Ma'afu has struggled to make the Brumbies starting side and they were a poor team in poor form. Palu and Elsom will get match fit playing in the toughest Int. comp. All the best.
 

qwerty51

Stirling Mortlock (74)
I cannot see the praise on Wykes tbh. Sure he had a good season but that's mainly due to his running game. He wasn't that good with the tight stuff. Timani is a more damaging runner. Vickerman is complete class, get over it.
 
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TheNextBigThing

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I cannot see the praise on Wykes tbh. Sure he had a good season but that's mainly due to his running game. He wasn't that good with the tight stuff. Timani is a more damaging runner. Vickerman is complete class, get over it.

It was a fifty fifty call between Timani and Wykes and it probably came down to showing faith in Timani so that he stays in Aus. They're both extremely damaging ball runners. Timani has an ounce more grunt while Wykes has expert ball handling skills for a tight five forward and pace to burn.

Realistically though neither of them will trouble Sharpe, Horwill or Simmons.
 

Richo

John Thornett (49)
I'd guess that Gerrard won't be cut. I don't see why you'd select him at all if you didn't want to take him to the RWC. Shepherd would have been the more versatile pick as someone who might contest for a place generally, but Gerrard has one specialist skill which could be very useful and, as a bonus, can play 13, where our stocks are low.
 

Ruggo

Mark Ella (57)
Aside from Mumm, who doesn't deserve to stay in the squad, none of our locks really act as a 6 cover... which is unusual as there's usually at least one in the squad...

I realise Horwill has played there before, but he's a tighthead lock and would be wasted there...

I think McCalman could be in line to fill in there if Palu is fit and Elsom rested against the minnows...

Mafu, definatly Mafu. We make the mistake of polarising Samo as only an 8. I think he answers your question re Mumm. Not that I think we should do it but there is more latitude to revisit the Horwill at 6 thing. It would promote Vickerman to the starting 15 though as he is the other THL.
 

aussie1st

Alfred Walker (16)
Hopefully Morahan and Davies remain in the squad for the WC and even the 22 man side. Don't mind the selection of Gerrard, he never lets the side down and his big boot is always a handy asset. Wouldn't have minded Mortlock for Turner but he looks like the one most likely to be cut anyway.
 

farva

Vay Wilson (31)
My starting 22

Robinson
TPN
Kepu
Sharpe
Horwill
Elsom
Pocock
McCalman
Genia
Cooper
Ioane
Giteau
AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)
JOC (James O'Connor)
Beale

Moore
Slipper
Samo
Hodgson
Burgess
McCabe
Turner
 
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TheNextBigThing

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Mafu, definatly Mafu. We make the mistake of polarising Samo as only an 8. I think he answers your question re Mumm. Not that I think we should do it but there is more latitude to revisit the Horwill at 6 thing. It would promote Vickerman to the starting 15 though as he is the other THL.

Dennis, Mcalman and Samo are all handy locks.

Overall it seems like an odd thing to be concerned about, we have more depth from 4-8 than anywhere else on the park.
 

Slim 293

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Based on that squad (and the assumption that Barnes and Horne won't be fit) this is what I think we'll see come RWC:

16/14

Props: Alexander, Kepu, Robinson, Slipper
Hookers: Fainga'a (or Hanson if Fainga'a falters again), Moore, Polata-Nau
Locks: Horwill, Sharpe, Simmons, Vickerman (ugh)
Blinside flankers: Elsom
Openside flankers: Pocock, Hodgson
No 8: Palu, McCalman

One of either Higginbotham, Dennis or Samo to come in if Palu is injured (a high possibility)

SH: Genia, Burgess, Phipps
FH: Cooper, Giteau
Centres: JOC (James O'Connor), AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper), Fainga'a, McCabe
Wing/FB: Mitchell, Ioane, Davies, Morahan, Beale

If Barnes is miraculously declared fit than Phipps will drop out to make room.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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so they really picked 38 as both Palu & TPN should have been on the wounded list

Gerrard for Shepherd? I guess Gerrard cover centre at a pinch, but he has to be there as a 15

Daley & Ma'afu, meh, I don't want to see either neither can scrummage
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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Vickerman has played how much rugby? I just can't imagine him selected yet, he didn't play last week and wasn't on the team list for uni for this week.
 

Slim 293

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Uh oh...

I'm pretty sure Larkham is breaking the board's "Shit Stirring" rule:

Cooper's defence could be a liability at World Cup: Larkham

JON TUXWORTH
10 Jul, 2011 12:00 AM

Wallabies and Brumbies great Stephen Larkham has floated the possibility of relegating Quade Cooper to the bench at this year's World Cup.

Larkham is concerned Cooper's defensive frailties could be a liability in New Zealand.


Now Brumbies backs coach, Larkham believes Australia's selectors must start Giteau at either flyhalf or inside centre at the September tournament.


The Queensland Reds have been forced to hide Cooper in defence this season, while Giteau is a reliable defender in the midfield.


Larkham also feels Giteau's ability to control a game, plus his communication skills, make him a safer option at No10 than Cooper.


A World Cup squad of 40 will be chosen this afternoon, which will be trimmed to 30 next month.


''It's been suggested you play Genia and Giteau [at scrumhalf and flyhalf] and bring Cooper off the bench as an impact player I think that's one option,'' Larkham said.


''The other option is Genia, Cooper and Gits at 12, and give that combination a chance to breathe.''


Cooper is the incumbent Wallabies flyhalf, and is odds-on to continue his halves combination with Reds teammate Will Genia.


But while his attacking skills are among the best in the game, his defence remains an issue.


''It's pretty inevitable Quade will get picked in the team somewhere, but his biggest fault is his defence,'' Larkham said.


''Queensland have tried to hide him at fullback this year, or wing at times.


''You talk about the next level up and you need someone that will put their body on the line, and Gits will certainly do that for you.


''Whilst you have to pick Quade, it's a big liability you have to cover.''


While he believes Cooper could be a game-breaker from the bench, Larkham insisted Cooper and Giteau could also co-exist in the starting line-up.


Larkham raised the prospect of Giteau playing at inside centre, but effectively playing as a second flyhalf alongside Cooper.


''If he [Giteau] is playing 12, you'd like to see him get his hands on the ball a bit more than a traditional 12 would,'' he said.

''Gitty certainly controls the game a lot better [than Cooper] and communicates a lot better than the players around him, I feel.''


Larkham said Giteau, Pat McCabe, Adam Ashley-Cooper, Ben Alexander and Peter Kimlin are ''must picks'' for the World Cup.


Front-rower Salesi Ma'afu will also come into consideration should he recover from a broken arm suffered in May.


Larkham also hoped selectors would show faith in rookie Brumbies No8 Ita Vaea.


''It's Ita's first year of Super rugby, but look at someone like Gits, who never played a game of Super rugby before he made the Wallabies,'' Larkham said.


''He only got picked [for the Brumbies this year] because Hoilsey [Stephen Hoiles] was injured.


''But he not only retained his spot, he was one of our best players all year.


''He's like a Toutai Kefu in the sense he reads the game well and just has a good rugby brain.''


Larkham also backed Wallabies skipper Rocky Elsom to make an impact at the World Cup, despite the fact he played just one game for the Brumbies this season through injury.


''The good thing about Rocky is he knows how to get himself right for a game,'' Larkham said.

''I'm sure he has that ability to do that for the Wallabies.''


The Wallabies begin their international schedule against Samoa at ANZ Stadium next Sunday.


Obviously Bernie is just promoting his players as any coach would...
 

Slim 293

Stirling Mortlock (74)
If Deans continues with JOC (James O'Connor) on the wing then Giteau will definitely play 12...

Will have to wait and see whether or not he wants to give JOC (James O'Connor) a go at 12...
 

waratahjesus

Greg Davis (50)
If Deans continues with JOC (James O'Connor) on the wing then Giteau will definitely play 12...

Will have to wait and see whether or not he wants to give JOC (James O'Connor) a go at 12...

It's a tough call, JOC (James O'Connor)/ quade is a lightweight combo, if quade then shifts to fullback you lose curtly as a fully utilized asset. Quade might end up on the wing in defense.
 
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