Where to for Super Rugby?

[Teh Other Dave]

What does Batman do on the bye weekend?

Exhibition match against the shorks

 

[Dismal Pillock]

Exhibition match against the shorks

Shark is clearly failing to roll away here.

Penalty: Batman.

 

[Dan54]

From the outside looking in, NZR is exploring different funding opportunities that don't involve 'helping' Australia. I would prefer they changed selection policies and be more collaborative in getting Australian Super Rugby more competitive both on the field and in the viewership ratings.

I understand that RA is in the position largely to their own mismanagement etc but this is the situation we all find ourselves in.

A 'partnership' with Australia is hopefully in the best interest of rugby as a whole. I'm very wary of private ownership as being currently proposed.

But that's probably the lefty, socialist in me.

Just had a thought(I know I know it must of been a quick one because can I breathe and think at same time?), I knwo we agree that Aus rugby is very important to NZ rugby, but the idea of open borders to supposedly making Aus super teams more competitive , you just know if that happened the naxt thing would be wanting ABs being made available for Wallabies because the Wallabies have not won Bledisloe for a lot longer time than an Aus team winning Super!!

I know where you sneaky Aussies are trying to get this to head in the long run!

 

[Brumby Runner]

Better keep breathing Dan because you obviously are having trouble having a clear thought.

 

[Bullrush]

Just had a thought(I know I know it must of been a quick one because can I breathe and think at same time?), I knwo we agree that Aus rugby is very important to NZ rugby, but the idea of open borders to supposedly making Aus super teams more competitive , you just know if that happened the naxt thing would be wanting ABs being made available for Wallabies because the Wallabies have not won Bledisloe for a lot longer time than an Aus team winning Super!!

I know where you sneaky Aussies are trying to get this to head in the long run!

If Australian teams pick up NZ players and give them opportunities here which they take full advantage of, if those players are either unwanted by AB selectors OR they simply choose to play for the Wallabies for whatever reason - so long as they meet eligibility criteria then why not?

NZ must acknowledge that a strong Australian comp and teams is an overall benefit to us and we have to lose a Bledisloe at SOME stage - otherwise winning it becomes almost meaningless.

https://www.facebook.com/KFOXTV/videos/692013181550291

 

[Rugbynutter39]

Just had a thought(I know I know it must of been a quick one because can I breathe and think at same time?), I knwo we agree that Aus rugby is very important to NZ rugby, but the idea of open borders to supposedly making Aus super teams more competitive , you just know if that happened the naxt thing would be wanting ABs being made available for Wallabies because the Wallabies have not won Bledisloe for a lot longer time than an Aus team winning Super!!

I know where you sneaky Aussies are trying to get this to head in the long run!

I think Dan that is an excellent idea. But let’s be fare how about we trade the tahs for the current All Blacks as would not be fair if we did not offer something in return.

 

[Joe King]

Here’s another idea following the model of playing Super Rugby TT throughout the Super Rugby AU/Aotearoa comps on designated weekends.

In order to fit within the available window, simply play Super Rugby TT over 6 rounds, with no final. Each team plays all the other teams NOT from their domestic Super Rugby comp once, for a first-past-the-post overall winner.

The Super Rugby season would look as follows:

Week 1: Super Rugby AU/Aotearoa*
Week 2: Super Rugby AU/Aotearoa
Week 3: Super Rugby TT round 1
Week 4: Super Rugby AU/Aotearoa
Week 5: Super Rugby AU/Aotearoa
Week 6: Super Rugby TT round 2
Week 7: Super Rugby TT round 3
Week 8: Super Rugby AU/Aotearoa
Week 9: Super Rugby AU/Aotearoa (week off for all Test players in camp)

Week 10: Anzac Day Bledisloe (week off for all non-Test players)

Week 11: Super Rugby TT round 4
Week 12: Super Rugby AU/Aotearoa
Week 13: Super Rugby AU/Aotearoa
Week 14: Super Rugby TT round 5
Week 15: Super Rugby AU/Aotearoa
Week 16: Super Rugby AU/Aotearoa
Week 17: Super Rugby TT round 6
Week 18: Super Rugby AU/Aotearoa (semi-final)
Week 19: Super Rugby AU/Aotearoa (final)

*Super Rugby Aotearoa may start the following weekend if NZR decides not to have a semi-final again.

Benefits include:

• Every team gets a minimum 8 home games and 8 away games each season!

• Australia gets to keep Super Rugby AU in full whilst getting continual exposure to the NZ teams throughout. This means Australia is still forced to work hard at increasing the depth and development of its player base. This is a good thing. Until then, however, at least all the Super Rugby TT games are not in a row.

• NZ get to keep Super Rugby Aotearoa, but there is no longer the concern of increased injuries due to its intensity, or feeling like it’s a bit stale. This format allows the NZ teams to have plenty of 'breaks' from playing against each other. And besides, like gold being refined and purified by fire, Super Rugby Aotearoa has refined the New Zealand players and balanced the New Zealand teams to be better than ever! It would be a mistake for NZR to get rid of it.

• This format allows for a single Bledisloe Cup game on the Anzac Day weekend. I expect this to become the preeminent Anzac sporting fixture each year.

It's not a perfect model (no model is), but we’re looking for the best model overall for both New Zealand and Australia.

 

[Rebels3]

Here’s another idea following the model of playing Super Rugby TT throughout the Super Rugby AU/Aotearoa comps on designated weekends.

In order to fit within the available window, simply play Super Rugby TT over 6 rounds, with no final. Each team plays all the other teams NOT from their domestic Super Rugby comp once, for a first-past-the-post overall winner.

The Super Rugby season would look as follows:

Week 1: Super Rugby AU/Aotearoa*
Week 2: Super Rugby AU/Aotearoa
Week 3: Super Rugby TT round 1
Week 4: Super Rugby AU/Aotearoa
Week 5: Super Rugby AU/Aotearoa
Week 6: Super Rugby TT round 2
Week 7: Super Rugby TT round 3
Week 8: Super Rugby AU/Aotearoa
Week 9: Super Rugby AU/Aotearoa (week off for all Test players in camp)

Week 10: Anzac Day Bledisloe (week off for all non-Test players)

Week 11: Super Rugby TT round 4
Week 12: Super Rugby AU/Aotearoa
Week 13: Super Rugby AU/Aotearoa
Week 14: Super Rugby TT round 5
Week 15: Super Rugby AU/Aotearoa
Week 16: Super Rugby AU/Aotearoa
Week 17: Super Rugby TT round 6
Week 18: Super Rugby AU/Aotearoa (semi-final)
Week 19: Super Rugby AU/Aotearoa (final)

*Super Rugby Aotearoa may start the following weekend if NZR decides not to have a semi-final again.

Benefits include:

• Every team gets a minimum 8 home games and 8 away games each season!

• Australia gets to keep Super Rugby AU in full whilst getting continual exposure to the NZ teams throughout. This means Australia is still forced to work hard at increasing the depth and development of its player base. This is a good thing. Until then, however, at least all the Super Rugby TT games are not in a row.

• NZ get to keep Super Rugby Aotearoa, but there is no longer the concern of increased injuries due to its intensity, or feeling like it’s a bit stale. This format allows the NZ teams to have plenty of 'breaks' from playing against each other. And besides, like gold being refined and purified by fire, Super Rugby Aotearoa has refined the New Zealand players and balanced the New Zealand teams to be better than ever! It would be a mistake for NZR to get rid of it.

• This format allows for a single Bledisloe Cup game on the Anzac Day weekend. I expect this to become the preeminent Anzac sporting fixture each year.

It's not a perfect model (no model is), but we’re looking for the best model overall for both New Zealand and Australia.

I like this but need a TT final. That’s the only thing I would change. Maybe lose the SRAU semi to accommodate the TT final. Definitely my preferred format so far

 

[Dan54]

Yep I like that format too. Maybe a couple of tweeks (don't ask me where), but like the general plan of it. And I would add the first (or second round) of Super Au and Ao points could also count towards TT to make that a 2 round comp as well!

 

[Dan54]

I think Dan that is an excellent idea. But let’s be fare how about we trade the tahs for the current All Blacks as would not be fair if we did not offer something in return.

As usual RN, you make fair and reasoned suggestions, and how could anyone possibly argue!

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

I like this but need a TT final. That’s the only thing I would change. Maybe lose the SRAU semi to accommodate the TT final. Definitely my preferred format so far

The other model that includes the Japanese would work well if you want a final. Split the teams into essential 3 divisions. Top 2 from Aus/NZ in the Cup, the next two in the Shield final two in the Plate. Invite the top 3 Japanese teams to start. One in each division. That would provide each team with at least 14 games. Could use a similar finals system to Super Rugby Au.

 

[Rebel man]

Here’s another idea following the model of playing Super Rugby TT throughout the Super Rugby AU/Aotearoa comps on designated weekends.

In order to fit within the available window, simply play Super Rugby TT over 6 rounds, with no final. Each team plays all the other teams NOT from their domestic Super Rugby comp once, for a first-past-the-post overall winner.

The Super Rugby season would look as follows:

Week 1: Super Rugby AU/Aotearoa*
Week 2: Super Rugby AU/Aotearoa
Week 3: Super Rugby TT round 1
Week 4: Super Rugby AU/Aotearoa
Week 5: Super Rugby AU/Aotearoa
Week 6: Super Rugby TT round 2
Week 7: Super Rugby TT round 3
Week 8: Super Rugby AU/Aotearoa
Week 9: Super Rugby AU/Aotearoa (week off for all Test players in camp)

Week 10: Anzac Day Bledisloe (week off for all non-Test players)

Week 11: Super Rugby TT round 4
Week 12: Super Rugby AU/Aotearoa
Week 13: Super Rugby AU/Aotearoa
Week 14: Super Rugby TT round 5
Week 15: Super Rugby AU/Aotearoa
Week 16: Super Rugby AU/Aotearoa
Week 17: Super Rugby TT round 6
Week 18: Super Rugby AU/Aotearoa (semi-final)
Week 19: Super Rugby AU/Aotearoa (final)

*Super Rugby Aotearoa may start the following weekend if NZR decides not to have a semi-final again.

Benefits include:

• Every team gets a minimum 8 home games and 8 away games each season!

• Australia gets to keep Super Rugby AU in full whilst getting continual exposure to the NZ teams throughout. This means Australia is still forced to work hard at increasing the depth and development of its player base. This is a good thing. Until then, however, at least all the Super Rugby TT games are not in a row.

• NZ get to keep Super Rugby Aotearoa, but there is no longer the concern of increased injuries due to its intensity, or feeling like it’s a bit stale. This format allows the NZ teams to have plenty of 'breaks' from playing against each other. And besides, like gold being refined and purified by fire, Super Rugby Aotearoa has refined the New Zealand players and balanced the New Zealand teams to be better than ever! It would be a mistake for NZR to get rid of it.

• This format allows for a single Bledisloe Cup game on the Anzac Day weekend. I expect this to become the preeminent Anzac sporting fixture each year.

It's not a perfect model (no model is), but we’re looking for the best model overall for both New Zealand and Australia.

The issues is what’s the point of the TT games if you aren’t playing for silverware? If there is no prize on the line what stops the NZ sides from playing weaker sides and focusing on winning their own comp?

I like the idea of the ANZAC test but being a Melbourne boy it’s the biggest day of the year for footy bar the GF and is a logistical nightmare when it falls mid week

 

[KevinO]

I like that draw, the other thing I would add is that all rounds after the Anzac weekend count towards the TT table as well as the AU and Aot tables. Meaning you have played every team in the TT table.

 

[KevinO]

I like the idea of the ANZAC test but being a Melbourne boy it’s the biggest day of the year for footy bar the GF and is a logistical nightmare when it falls mid week

Agree, it's always a 90k game at the MCG followed by Storm's biggest game of the year.

 

[Dan54]

The issues is what’s the point of the TT games if you aren’t playing for silverware? If there is no prize on the line what stops the NZ sides from playing weaker sides and focusing on winning their own comp?

I like the idea of the ANZAC test but being a Melbourne boy it’s the biggest day of the year for footy bar the GF and is a logistical nightmare when it falls mid week

I don't like Anzac test, wouldn't work having it in middle of comp, rugby is quite a complicated game, you couldn't have properly prepared teams in a week. Also what ever comp you have, you need to build byes into them. 12-12 weeks without a break is too long.

 

[Brumby Runner]

So Dan comes up with some reasoned criticism while a couple of Melbourne posters complain about a clash with Aussie Rules. What are the priorities?

 

[Rebel man]

So Dan comes up with some reasoned criticism while a couple of Melbourne posters complain about a clash with Aussie Rules. What are the priorities?

Well it is an issues ANZAC Day is an obvious fit for a test but we have to be inventive and not try and compete on an already crowded day

 

[Teh Other Dave]

So Dan comes up with some reasoned criticism while a couple of Melbourne posters complain about a clash with Aussie Rules. What are the priorities?

Bit of an issue if it's meant to be an ANZAC day test at the MCG.

 

[Dan54]

If Australian teams pick up NZ players and give them opportunities here which they take full advantage of, if those players are either unwanted by AB selectors OR they simply choose to play for the Wallabies for whatever reason - so long as they meet eligibility criteria then why not?
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That's already the case anyway, so what's the problem. Let's not pretemd BullR, any NZ player can play in Aus , and play for Wallabies. It has happened a few times already.

 

[Dan54]

So Dan comes up with some reasoned criticism while a couple of Melbourne posters complain about a clash with Aussie Rules. What are the priorities?

Sorry BR (and Dru)perhaps I needed to actually say I was joking about comments with Wallabies, I really didn't think anyone would tke it serious.
Guess it a reminder that some don't do irony etc.