Where to for Super Rugby?

[Killer]

If SANDZZAR don't invite WF to their new competition, I can't see how WF can stop the new competition as WF has never had a contract with SANDZZAR.

This issue is costs to WF from the ARU as I see it. ,

I don't know how these things work but, if because of the injunction the ARU can't cut the WF then the ARU has to include the WF, no choice, therefore sanzaar must take 5 or none.
It can't sue the ARU, so what does sanzaar do?
They can't do nothing, they either have a 16 team comp or sack someone else.

 

[BLR]

half, you're the only one saying the broadcasters were pushing this as an option initially. Why would they, they were mid broadcast agreement, just wait until it runs then either don't offer another or reduce the price paid for the inferior product, easy.

Multiple media reports have the NZRU pushing it because of declining performances and Foxtel originally agreeing as long as the teams out were the Kings, Jaguares & Sunwolves. This was followed by ARU telling them pressure would be applied and the Force would be the ones taken out.

There is no evidence that the broadcasters were pushing it. This is ARU through and through.

 

[Killer]

btw, if money is no object and it has become personal, I would be very surprised if TF does not have an alternate case prepared and ready to be walked through, just depending on the outcome of this appeal.
As John Welborn said this will never end.
Everything will work out fine with sanzaar from an Aus perspective, just need to get rid of Clyne.

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

There is almost 0 chance of a 16 team comp next year.......

It's possible, though, if instead of the Aus Conf teams playing each other home & away they play three h&a, one home only & one away only. Messy but no more so than the discredited four Conf model.

 

[half]

half, you're the only one saying the broadcasters were pushing this as an option initially. Why would they, they were mid broadcast agreement, just wait until it runs then either don't offer another or reduce the price paid for the inferior product, easy.

Multiple media reports have the NZRU pushing it because of declining performances and Foxtel originally agreeing as long as the teams out were the Kings, Jaguares & Sunwolves. This was followed by ARU telling them pressure would be applied and the Force would be the ones taken out.

There is no evidence that the broadcasters were pushing it. This is ARU through and through.

Most media contracts with sporting bodies have certain metrics needed to be met.

By way of an example if the AFL rating fell next year to say 20% of what they currently are there would be clauses within the media contract with minimum rating numbers.

There is no reason to suppose the SANDZZAR media deals would be any different and being spread across as I understand it 16 different broadcasters there would be a need to Super Rugby to rate at certain levels.

Media reports earlier in the year had South African and European rating in mega rating drops.

Then out of the blue SANDZZAR announces a reduction back to 15 teams.

Up until SANDZZAR announced the 15 teams it was all guns blazing on the 18 team format only consideration was somehow a revamp of the format.

Then out of the blue comes we must go back to 15 teams. My logic says the broadcasts were saying fix the ratings it worked with 15 teams and we need to make Australia and South Africa teams competitive.

However I admit to nearly always being the person with the unpopular opinion and people always asking for proof. So I don't have any proof it for me makes logical sense how it happened.

 

[BLR]

Then out of the blue comes we must go back to 15 teams. My logic says the broadcasts were saying fix the ratings it worked with 15 teams and we need to make Australia and South Africa teams competitive.

Your opinion is fine but we are dealing with past events now which seems to have followed the course I outlined above. There isn't much point trying to re-write history to suit your agenda.

 

[half]

Your opinion is fine but we are dealing with past events now which seems to have followed the course I outlined above. There isn't much point trying to re-write history to suit your agenda.

HHHHmmm

I asked the or followed a question saying what if SANDZZAR don't invite the WF to the new competition.

Someone asked why and I said I think broadcasters had a lot to do with it.

Someone then asked why.

I explained my throughts.

Its not a re write of history, its my opinion on what started all this off. Please disagree if you wish. Please say I am beyond foolish because of what ever reason you have.

Again IMO if I am right it will be impact on SANDZZAE's ability to move to a 16 team format.

Equally I could be wrong but all I did was respond to questions asked.

 

[Slim 293]

Someone asked why and I said I think broadcasters had a lot to do with it.

The broadcaster wanted 5 Australian teams..........

 

[todd4]

I don't think SANZAAR invite individual teams but invite the governing bodies to feild a certain number of team , the revised agreement asks the ARU to provide at least 4 teams. To say Super 15 worked because of the number of teams is only half right. The inclusion of 2 extra countries is what really complicated the issue. They think they are going to solve this by keeping 5 countries doesn't really make sense.

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[oztimmay]

Wayne Keith Smith tweeted the decision is tomorrow:


But, it doesn't appear on the NSW court listing (yet)

https://onlineregistry.lawlink.nsw....ate%22%2C%22sortOrder%22%3A%22ASC%22%7D%7D%7D

According to on our esteemed members/tweeters, 24 hours notice must be given.

 

[Killer]

after the 20m they paid/promised? the ARU they need to cut costs.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/taxpayers-paid-one-million-for-the-logies-melbourne-2017-9?wt=2

 

[lou75]

Wayne Keith Smith tweeted the decision is tomorrow:


But, it doesn't appear on the NSW court listing (yet)

https://onlineregistry.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/content/court-lists#/?q=%7B%22offset%22%3A0%2C%22count%22%3A30%2C%22searchInput%22%3A%22Rugby%22%2C%22filters%22%3A%7B%22date%22%3A%22This%20week%22%7D%2C%22applicableSortFields%22%3A%7B%22defaultSortGroup%22%3A%7B%22sortField%22%3A%22date%2Ctime%2Clocation%22%2C%22sortOrder%22%3A%22ASC%22%7D%2C%22date%22%3A%7B%22sortField%22%3A%22date%22%2C%22sortOrder%22%3A%22ASC%22%7D%7D%7D

According to on our esteemed members/tweeters, 24 hours notice must be given.

it's there now for 10 am

 

[Braveheart81]

From Bay35Pablo's twitter.

 

[oztimmay]

Well, there you go.

*clears schedule for tomorrow morning*

 

[half]

The broadcaster wanted 5 Australian teams....

From what I read Fox wanted 5 teams.

I have read that most of the money came from European broadcasters where the ratings are said to have fallen significantly.

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

Anyone running a book on how long after the judgement is handed down it'll take for this thread to hit 10K posts?

 

[Quick Hands]

A quick definitive result in the current court case is probably a last chance saloon for Force entry to 2018 Soup.

Unless forced to do so, I see Clyne belligerence holding onto the advice to SANZAAR for 4 Aus teams next year. I don't see SANZAAR proceeding against this advice.

Depends on what if any orders that the court makes. For example the ARU could be prevented from participating in Super Rugby unless it abides by its agreement with WF.

Big banks tend only to win in court when they use financial power to overwhelm litigants. Clyne can't rely on that here. He's fronting an organisation which tells anyone still listening how they have no money

 

[Quick Hands]

The fact that it's taken well over a week for His Honour to decide, one assumes that the issues aren't as clearcut as the ARU might have liked.

 

[swingpass]

The fact that it's taken well over a week for His Honour to decide, one assumes that the issues aren't as clearcut as the ARU might have liked.

nah, busy blokes these judges, what with lunch, golf, social functions .... the occasional court case to deal with

 

[oztimmay]

nah, busy blokes these judges, what with lunch, golf, social functions .. the occasional court case to deal with

I think it was quoted somewhere he did have a significant caseload to complete. Whilst this is a priority to good Rugby folk of OZ, it might not have been high priority on his list.