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the beast
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do you think they'll compete with trinity and knox?
CAS Rugby 2011
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baldingwingforward
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Not sure about the quality of Knox but Trinity aren't much this year. They got belted by Riverview last week. Not 100% sure of the scores but Trinity 2nds lost 55-10 ish and 1st XV lost 37-7 or something like that.
Heard that Debrezini from Trinity played well but other than that they didn't have much to offer.
Does anyone know the Waverley vs St Pats score?
Scots are playing Waverley tomorrow i believe - should be an interesting match up.
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rugby eye
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Can anyone confirm the Knox vs Newington fixtures today?
thecow
Ward Prentice (10)
Knox are playing Newington in 1sts, 2nds and all A grade games today:
Knox 1:
11am - 16A's
12pm - 2nds
1:15pm - 1sts
Gillespie:
10am - 13A's
11am - 14A's
12pm - 15A's
I believe Waverly beat Pats 28-0 ish, after only leading 7-0 midway through the 2nd half. Not all that impressive as Pats arent looking very good this year after only 3 or so players returning, and a big focus on youth with a fair bit of last years 15a's that defeated riverview, trinity etc making up the team. Pats are playing Trinity this weekend so that will paint a picture on how Waverly compares
The Chosen
Fred Wood (13)
Knox 22 (4 Tries) defeated Newington 19 (3 tries) @ KG1.
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Nev Cottrell (35)
U16As result?
thecow
Ward Prentice (10)
i heard that newington won 29-5
Knox were the better team in the 1sts, however imo they had a lot of the referee decisions go their way. Apparently the ref in the 2nds was absolute rubbish and made a lot of decisions in favour for knox, and newington still won 14-0. knox won the 15A's 14-5, lost the 14A's 7 tries to 1 and im not sure bout 13A's if anyone cares.
Elfster
Dave Cowper (27)
Newington in both the 1sts and 2nds were big sides. The physicality definitely showed in the 2nds. Though this may have also the reason for the lop sided penalty count - over enthusiastic big lads with more passion than discipline. That said the Newington supporters could feel themselves slightly aggrieved by reffing, though regardless of that knox were never going to win. By the end they looked slightly dispirited and flat. Early days yet for both sides and combinations should develop. Even at school boy level urgency is still required, there were a few Knox players who ambled around as if they were out for a stroll...they never seemed to run or showed enthusiasm. Newington took advantage of this by the occassional long kick.
In the 1sts the size difference would have indicated a similar result, but Knox managed to come through. Newington are a brutal side - they looked to use their power before being more expansive - their numbers 1, 3 and 13 were big and mobile. However I thought their best player was probably one of their smallest - number 7. I would have liked to see their 15 have a bit more ball as he looked the goods. Their number 5 was also mobile and dangerous with the ball. It will come, but once they manage their explosive power and size they will be a better side for it. Often the whole pack didn't all play with the same intensity which probably allowed the smaller Knox pack stay in it. Also they should learn to chance their arm a bit (slipping in way too many cliches here), they scored a great long distance try when they did.
For Knox i felt the back three were slow. Their number 10 played well and their centre combination was strong. The number 6 was visible as well. The front row were not intimidated by their larger opposition. However, and I am not sure whose fault it is, this Knox side looked unfit. And from earlier posts there seems to be some injuries already. There is a high correlation between being unfit and getting injuries. Knox will be a much better side if competitively fit. And it could also explain some of the walkers in the 2nds.
The field looked good, but a bit slippery (which may explain some of the scrappy nature and an unwillingness to use the ball). The slipperyness may have been connected with verdant thick cover. The oval appeared not to have been mown for months!
To sum it up, a willing early trial. Newington should improve, they have depth and size and power. Knox should be competitive but not great. For their fitness is a concern.
In the 1sts the size difference would have indicated a similar result, but Knox managed to come through. Newington are a brutal side - they looked to use their power before being more expansive - their numbers 1, 3 and 13 were big and mobile. However I thought their best player was probably one of their smallest - number 7. I would have liked to see their 15 have a bit more ball as he looked the goods. Their number 5 was also mobile and dangerous with the ball. It will come, but once they manage their explosive power and size they will be a better side for it. Often the whole pack didn't all play with the same intensity which probably allowed the smaller Knox pack stay in it. Also they should learn to chance their arm a bit (slipping in way too many cliches here), they scored a great long distance try when they did.
For Knox i felt the back three were slow. Their number 10 played well and their centre combination was strong. The number 6 was visible as well. The front row were not intimidated by their larger opposition. However, and I am not sure whose fault it is, this Knox side looked unfit. And from earlier posts there seems to be some injuries already. There is a high correlation between being unfit and getting injuries. Knox will be a much better side if competitively fit. And it could also explain some of the walkers in the 2nds.
The field looked good, but a bit slippery (which may explain some of the scrappy nature and an unwillingness to use the ball). The slipperyness may have been connected with verdant thick cover. The oval appeared not to have been mown for months!
To sum it up, a willing early trial. Newington should improve, they have depth and size and power. Knox should be competitive but not great. For their fitness is a concern.
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the beast
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who played 10 for knox?
Elfster
Dave Cowper (27)
Don't know...he had blond hair and no head guard. Was one of their goal kickers. Showed a bit of toe
thecow
Ward Prentice (10)
pierce richards was the 10 from knox, played 16A's and CAS 16's 2's last year.
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ned
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Seen him play last year for the 16A's and he has great potential, as long as he keeps improving.
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ned
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Does anyone know the score of Waverley vs Scots? A game report would be nice. Thanks
The Chosen
Fred Wood (13)
Interesting how you go to the same match as someone else and pick up on different things. A few observations from today's Knox vs Newington game:
* 2nd Xv game was of a poor standard- not sure how many were out for either side, but it would appear neither School has a lot of depth. Knox certainly does not have the depth that they have enjoyed in previous years.
* Yes- the Newington side was fairly big- both props, Nos 8 & 13 all appeared to be of solid islander stock(Tongan connection?) but as we know size is not everything.
* My player of match was Knox No. 6(Bursle) who was in everything- his front-on tackle of one of the Newington props,driving him backwards was a gem.
* I didn't see Knox's fitness as a problem-especially as they recovered from a 19-12 defecit, scoring 2 tries in the las 10 minutes.
I understand that following Gala Day game(this coming Saturday) against Oakhill, Knox will play Joeys (under lights) @ 6.30 pm on Monday 02/05.
* 2nd Xv game was of a poor standard- not sure how many were out for either side, but it would appear neither School has a lot of depth. Knox certainly does not have the depth that they have enjoyed in previous years.
* Yes- the Newington side was fairly big- both props, Nos 8 & 13 all appeared to be of solid islander stock(Tongan connection?) but as we know size is not everything.
* My player of match was Knox No. 6(Bursle) who was in everything- his front-on tackle of one of the Newington props,driving him backwards was a gem.
* I didn't see Knox's fitness as a problem-especially as they recovered from a 19-12 defecit, scoring 2 tries in the las 10 minutes.
I understand that following Gala Day game(this coming Saturday) against Oakhill, Knox will play Joeys (under lights) @ 6.30 pm on Monday 02/05.
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ned
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What's happened to Waves? Waves used to give good match reports on Waverley's games.
Constantine
Stan Wickham (3)
Thanks Elfster and the Chosen for your comments on the Knox/ Newington match. Interesting result & sounds like a good contest given I believe it was about 12-12 with about 10 minutes left.
Not sure if Baldwingforward saw the Trinity / Riverview but I wouldn't write off Trinity just yet based on that performance.The score was around 30+-7 but 10 minutes into the 2nd half it was 12-7 with Trinity bombing a couple of try chances. At this point View knocked up 2 quick and impressive tries and from there Trinity under pressure collapsed like cheap deck chairs. Their fitness definitely was below Riverviews.
Riverview looked very impressive with No 8 Wells & no 6 Dempsey very strong. The halves combo was excellent and gave v good service to the outside backs( although 5/8 struggled a little in defense against Trinity 5/8) with the View no 14 a big lad with a surprising turn of pace. But all players appeared solid and at least some will challenge for GPS 1s. Riverview defense, apart from a couple of occasional lapses in the 1st half , almost iron clad.
For Triniity 5/8 Debrezini had a very good game but unfortunately got little ball in 2nd half. Trinity forwards were game but eventually toppled by a fit and very committed opposition.. Trinity backs had few opportinuties but showed some glimpses of pace and skill but too one off, and not linking well as a team.
So believe Trinity will trouble most CAS teams but will need to do more if they want to lift the Henry Plume shield this year.
Not sure if Baldwingforward saw the Trinity / Riverview but I wouldn't write off Trinity just yet based on that performance.The score was around 30+-7 but 10 minutes into the 2nd half it was 12-7 with Trinity bombing a couple of try chances. At this point View knocked up 2 quick and impressive tries and from there Trinity under pressure collapsed like cheap deck chairs. Their fitness definitely was below Riverviews.
Riverview looked very impressive with No 8 Wells & no 6 Dempsey very strong. The halves combo was excellent and gave v good service to the outside backs( although 5/8 struggled a little in defense against Trinity 5/8) with the View no 14 a big lad with a surprising turn of pace. But all players appeared solid and at least some will challenge for GPS 1s. Riverview defense, apart from a couple of occasional lapses in the 1st half , almost iron clad.
For Triniity 5/8 Debrezini had a very good game but unfortunately got little ball in 2nd half. Trinity forwards were game but eventually toppled by a fit and very committed opposition.. Trinity backs had few opportinuties but showed some glimpses of pace and skill but too one off, and not linking well as a team.
So believe Trinity will trouble most CAS teams but will need to do more if they want to lift the Henry Plume shield this year.
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baldingwingforward
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Scots eventually won 29-19 or something like that, in a pretty average game. The referee was on the verge of losing control even after giving out needless yellow cards against both sides.
Smallest Waverley side i have seen in years - Ingram Nelson aside, and they were pretty disorganised. I think the loss of Mr Barr as coach is really going to hurt them this year. Their lineouts in particular were horrible and their scrum was under huge pressure (although they were missing Talakai). 15 was impressive with the limited opportunities he had. 7 also tried hard in a losing side.
For Scots, 7 and 8 were the pick. They played with good width at times although there were lots of unforced errors (from both sides). Their inside ball off the 10 or 12 was a bit telegraphed and better teams will smash the recipient of the pass! Scrum looked solid and they still have a few players to come back in. Overall though they are very light weight - especially up front, and i think they will struggle against the physically bigger sides likes Newington and View.
Early days yet though. Will be interesting to see how Waverley go against View next week. Always hard to gauge teams progress in the first couple of weeks of trials.
Everyone had been writing Shore off but maybe they're not the easy beats that everyone predicted this year...
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The Blindside
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You can't judge New from this game. They were very underdone and it showed. They were also missing Roods at 13. FYI, both the props are back from last year (both NSW reps) and are way short of match fitness.
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