CAS Rugby 2011

[Snort]

I find this quite an odd thread. Look, as of today, Trinity has won four from four, and except at Barker, the games haven't been close. They've scored 153 points, conceded 40. All the talk here seems to be about how it's a weak CAS year, and how Waverley aren't as good as usual and how Barker lost all its good players. Also people have pointed out, rightly, that Trinity has less depth than other schools, and injuries might hurt them in the second half of the draw. But why not give them credit for how they've played? And why not acknowledge that on form, Trinity and Waverley deserve the strongest CAS representation? There's a lot of talk about Trinity' big forwards, but actually those forwards aren't dominating possession - it's the back line that's doing the real damage. Although it's a shame if Clunies-Ross is out injured - his speed is vital to Trinity's game.

 

[Casnovian]

I find this quite an odd thread. Look, as of today, Trinity has won four from four, and except at Barker, the games haven't been close. They've scored 153 points, conceded 40. All the talk here seems to be about how it's a weak CAS year, and how Waverley aren't as good as usual and how Barker lost all its good players. Also people have pointed out, rightly, that Trinity has less depth than other schools, and injuries might hurt them in the second half of the draw. But why not give them credit for how they've played? And why not acknowledge that on form, Trinity and Waverley deserve the strongest CAS representation? There's a lot of talk about Trinity' big forwards, but actually those forwards aren't dominating possession - it's the back line that's doing the real damage. Although it's a shame if Clunies-Ross is out injured - his speed is vital to Trinity's game.

Well spoken!

Although I don't agree with Trinity having lack of depth.

Trinity had three regular First XV players off the field (from previous six games) last week - the players who ran on rose to the occasion - beating Knox at Knox for the first time since 1992. They all wanted to win and there was a palpable commitment and solidarity - perhaps surpassing technical ability. Many of the players don't get mentioned in the dispatches - they all contribute however and even if it is only a small window of time - they will remember it for life. That includes the 16A team - who took out Knox - their second defeat in two weeks (after being undefeated) five years - I am lead to believe.

Trinity's game play has been scrappy and in certain areas - plainly - much room for improvement particularly Barker and Knox games.

Can't take their "teamwork" away from them though. Some acknowledgement needs to go to the coaches and the strong relationships forged with and among the players - not just this years ones!

Allos are the sleeper first XV team and if its wet - we will see "one of the alternate sides of Rugby" this weekend.

 

[Snort]

Interesting game

I agree that St Aloysius have more potential than their results to date suggest. All their games have been pretty close. It will be an interesting game on Saturday, and if the ground is wet it might help to make the result very close.

 

[ShippingSteel]

Agreed, waverley's 1,2,6 and 7's fitness, manouvreablility, rucking and first up tackles have been very solid. The no.9s box is a weapon and the no.10 and 15 have been getting better and better each game aswell. If selectors are selecting on form, i wouldnt be suprised to see a heavily stacked trinity side aswell as waverley, as they are the leading 2 teams in the comp thus far

I totally agree. These boys workrate has been extremly high for the games i have seen. The counterrucking displayed against Knox and to a lesser extent Aloysius, demonstrated good unselfish rugby and play like that should definatly be considered for CAS selections. As a result of the work of the tight fowards in securing good ball, the halfback has distributed well to Patterson at 10 who has been very impressive with his decision making. One problem i found in Waves Aloysius game was that some Waverley fowards tired very bad towards the end of the game. However, a couple of Waverley fowards, who i will not name stepped up and covered well for the rest of them.

Should be interesting to see how waverley goes on the weekend against a Cranbrook pack who have a couple of players up for selection however results and therefore performance have not helped their cause

Should be interesting to see the selections after Saturday

 

[Courier]

I totally agree. These boys workrate has been extremly high for the games i have seen. The counterrucking displayed against Knox and to a lesser extent Aloysius, demonstrated good unselfish rugby and play like that should definatly be considered for CAS selections. As a result of the work of the tight fowards in securing good ball, the halfback has distributed well to Patterson at 10 who has been very impressive with his decision making. One problem i found in Waves Aloysius game was that some Waverley fowards tired very bad towards the end of the game. However, a couple of Waverley fowards, who i will not name stepped up and covered well for the rest of them.

Should be interesting to see how waverley goes on the weekend against a Cranbrook pack who have a couple of players up for selection however results and therefore performance have not helped their cause

Should be interesting to see the selections after Saturday

i think your view of the waverley forwards may be a bit misleading. dont forget the waverley number 8 was sent off in the second half and the prop off with injury. The forwards had to step up with a man down and a replacement. So of course they are tired in the game as they are all working harder than usual. The weakness i spotted was the drift in the waverley centres, they both move across before they move forward thus causing potential holes between themselves and the 10. And i agree the service from the nine is quite good, however he looked slow around the field and sloppy in defense.

 

[blueandgold]

waverley centers although not technically perfect in defence seem to be doing a good job with no try's conceded from set plays in there chanel and the halfback has been playing with a shoulder injury so his defence is not up to te standard it was In previous matches

 

[the beast]

i think your view of the waverley forwards may be a bit misleading. dont forget the waverley number 8 was sent off in the second half and the prop off with injury. The forwards had to step up with a man down and a replacement. So of course they are tired in the game as they are all working harder than usual. The weakness i spotted was the drift in the waverley centres, they both move across before they move forward thus causing potential holes between themselves and the 10. And i agree the service from the nine is quite good, however he looked slow around the field and sloppy in defense.

totally agree with you regarding the centres and the 9 is too slow around the field. Can't see him making CAS. Also there are a lot of players in the Waverley 2's who play well but only receive game time if there are injuries. Why the coaches persist in leaving tired players on the field when they have a bench full of 2's players is beyond my comprehension.???

 

[the beast]

waverley centers although not technically perfect in defence seem to be doing a good job with no try's conceded from set plays in there chanel and the halfback has been playing with a shoulder injury so his defence is not up to te standard it was In previous matches

You must have missed the game against Trinity where they both were found wanting in defence on numerous occassions. The coaches are doing a great job at taking care of their players, seeing as how they have played Ingram-Melsom with a broken hand against Barker, Talakai with a shoulder injury against Trinity and now Steynes with a shoulder injury. I thought this was schoolboy rugby and the teachers/coaches main concern should be looking after the safety of their students/players not winning the game at the cost of a students well being.

 

[meathead]

You must have missed the game against Trinity where they both were found wanting in defence on numerous occassions. The coaches are doing a great job at taking care of their players, seeing as how they have played Ingram-Melsom with a broken hand against Barker, Talakai with a shoulder injury against Trinity and now Steynes with a shoulder injury. I thought this was schoolboy rugby and the teachers/coaches main concern should be looking after the safety of their students/players not winning the game at the cost of a students well being.

I was under the impression that they played against the coaches orders, trying to mask their injury by not going to the physio for confirmation on its seriousness. However, these issues have been sorted as the coaches are now waiting for confirmation from the physios for waverleys injured players to return. And without these confirmations, the players are not allowed to play

 

[the beast]

I was under the impression that they played against the coaches orders, trying to mask their injury by not going to the physio for confirmation on its seriousness. However, these issues have been sorted as the coaches are now waiting for confirmation from the physios for waverleys injured players to return. And without these confirmations, the players are not allowed to play

Not what I've heard as they knew Ingram-Melsom had a broken hand and moved him from lock to No 8 so as he wouldn't have to bind with the injured hand.

 

[blueandgold]

ingram -melsom didn't inform the coaches of his hand until after the game and I believe talakai said he was fit to play although he may not have been and I think the same with steyn

 

[Courier]

I was under the impression that they played against the coaches orders, trying to mask their injury by not going to the physio for confirmation on its seriousness. However, these issues have been sorted as the coaches are now waiting for confirmation from the physios for waverleys injured players to return. And without these confirmations, the players are not allowed to play

how can they play against the coaches order. shouldnt the coach decide who runs on and off the field? The theme that is arising in my head is waverley coaches are either rookies or complete idiots

 

[the beast]

ingram -melsom didn't inform the coaches of his hand until after the game and I believe talakai said he was fit to play although he may not have been and I think the same with steyn

The coaches would have had to be either blind or not interested in watching the game to have not seen the amount of strapping on Ingram-Melsom's hand and the fact that he was favouring his hand. Why didn't they act and take control of the team or are the players running the team?

 

[the beast]

how can they play against the coaches order. shouldnt the coach decide who runs on and off the field? The theme that is arising in my head is waverley coaches are either rookies or complete idiots

Totally agree, although I can tell you that they are not rookies.

 

[meathead]

The coaches would have had to be either blind or not interested in watching the game to have not seen the amount of strapping on Ingram-Melsom's hand and the fact that he was favouring his hand. Why didn't they act and take control of the team or are the players running the team?

I agree that he should not have been allowed to play, but he kept on persisting that he was fine to play. For the teams sake, it would have been better off bringing up a seconds player considering he couldnt do any fine motor skills during the game

 

[the beast]

I agree that he should not have been allowed to play, but he kept on persisting that he was fine to play. For the teams sake, it would have been better off bringing up a seconds player considering he couldnt do any fine motor skills during the game

So you've agreed the coaches knew Ingram-Melsom was injured, but still failed to use their authority to look after the players safety. What sort of coaches are they employing at Waverley College.

 

[Courier]

Totally agree, although I can tell you that they are not rookies.

yes im aware the headcoach has been there for a while. however im also aware they have a new assistant coach. it just seems to me that they lack some common logic. from watching the 2nds and 1sts game i could easily see players in 2's who should either be starting or get runs in the firsts. Instead they leave on players who have clearly fatigued and place them out of position when injuries occur. Whilst this goes on their is a fresh bench of players keen to play. Waverley have selected a slow, predictable winger. In the team below is sprint champion Diego Loboz-Gonzales who literally holds CAS records. it just leaves me confused

 

[meathead]

yes im aware the headcoach has been there for a while. however im also aware they have a new assistant coach. it just seems to me that they lack some common logic. from watching the 2nds and 1sts game i could easily see players in 2's who should either be starting or get runs in the firsts. Instead they leave on players who have clearly fatigued and place them out of position when injuries occur. Whilst this goes on their is a fresh bench of players keen to play. Waverley have selected a slow, predictable winger. In the team below is sprint champion Diego Loboz-Gonzales who literally holds CAS records. it just leaves me confused

Diego Loboz-Gonzales doesnt hang around for the 1sts game, and therefore doesnt get put on.

 

[the beast]

yes im aware the headcoach has been there for a while. however im also aware they have a new assistant coach. it just seems to me that they lack some common logic. from watching the 2nds and 1sts game i could easily see players in 2's who should either be starting or get runs in the firsts. Instead they leave on players who have clearly fatigued and place them out of position when injuries occur. Whilst this goes on their is a fresh bench of players keen to play. Waverley have selected a slow, predictable winger. In the team below is sprint champion Diego Loboz-Gonzales who literally holds CAS records. it just leaves me confused

Totally agree Loboz-Gonzales is just one of a number of players that the so called 1st XV coaches are ignoring, but that's nothing new with the Waverley rugby culture, they don't believe in rewarding players who perform, they consider it a priviledge to play in the 1st XV and once selected at the start of the season they remain there until injured.

 

[the beast]

Diego Loboz-Gonzales doesnt hang around for the 1sts game, and therefore doesnt get put on.

Maybe that's because he has been snubbed by the coaches and Waverley consider their 1st XV above training as a squad with the 2nd XV. I wonder if the coaches have actually taken the time out to explain to the players how they can all improve their game.(feedback)