Robbie Deans
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Anyone think another foreigner (Jake White) can run the Wobs if we sack Dingo?
Why are there so many Saffer and Sheep shaggeres coaching at International level past and present, whereas our brightest and best are either assistant coaches or at best head coaches at club level?
What is wrong with our Coaching pathways and structures? We have won the RWC twice.
Also the French nearly won the RWC from NZ last year despite effectively having no coach. If they can do it, why not us?
Is our situation all that different from Les Frogge 2011?
Why are there so many Saffer and Sheep shaggeres coaching at International level past and present, whereas our brightest and best are either assistant coaches or at best head coaches at club level?
What is wrong with our Coaching pathways and structures? We have won the RWC twice.
Also the French nearly won the RWC from NZ last year despite effectively having no coach. If they can do it, why not us?
Is our situation all that different from Les Frogge 2011?
Nationality is a red herring, as White is proving at ACT. Fuck, he's not even from Canberra
Deans just can't do it at National level. He doesn't have consistent enough time with them to do whatever he does to make up for the fact that he can't communicate well enough to get simple game plans in place.
Deans just can't do it at National level. He doesn't have consistent enough time with them to do whatever he does to make up for the fact that he can't communicate well enough to get simple game plans in place.
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
I wasn't sure where to post this, but here will do...
Was just looking at some highlights from the Samoa match last year and I think it's pretty telling how bad the Australian forwards can be at times...
There was a play where the ball went out wide from a ruck to Gerrard who passed back inside to McCabe...
From that tackle the ruck was then cleared out by Giteau and AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper), with Ioane picking up the ball (with Phipps behind, so 6/7 backs involved in this passage of play) and then hitting it up, swarmed by several Samoan defenders (mostly forwards) and held up while AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) and McCabe went into try and help rip back the ball...
Eventually the ref blew up for a penalty for an earlier offside...
But during this entire 20 seconds (that's right, 20 seconds) of play not a single Wallaby forward is in sight. Not a single one...
Not only do they not attend to either of the tackle contests, but none of them are even within sight of the camera...
What the hell were they doing? What are they being instructed to do?!
Was just looking at some highlights from the Samoa match last year and I think it's pretty telling how bad the Australian forwards can be at times...
There was a play where the ball went out wide from a ruck to Gerrard who passed back inside to McCabe...
From that tackle the ruck was then cleared out by Giteau and AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper), with Ioane picking up the ball (with Phipps behind, so 6/7 backs involved in this passage of play) and then hitting it up, swarmed by several Samoan defenders (mostly forwards) and held up while AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) and McCabe went into try and help rip back the ball...
Eventually the ref blew up for a penalty for an earlier offside...
But during this entire 20 seconds (that's right, 20 seconds) of play not a single Wallaby forward is in sight. Not a single one...
Not only do they not attend to either of the tackle contests, but none of them are even within sight of the camera...
What the hell were they doing? What are they being instructed to do?!
What time in the match?
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John Solomon (38)
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Ward Prentice (10)
Not so Gagger. The Crusaders performed well before Deans took over,continued to do so in spite of him being coach,[and it wasn't always rosy in the camp either] and they continue to perform well without him being there.
Lets not forget he was hailed as a messiah by sections of the Australian press when you guys secured his services. I, as a one eyed Cantabrian and AB supporter for almost seventy years do not think it is the quality of Australian players. You are still rated number two in the world. And come Bledisloe time I expect to see the same tight battles we invariably get to witness.
No4918
John Hipwell (52)
If we lose the Wales series please fall on your sword Robbie. If we can't beat them how can we expect to trouble the Lions?
If a new coach were to take over doing so before TRC is about the only option to let them work there magic.
How crap is it to hear the only report on the news about the game saying the Wallabies suffer another loss as if this is a joke. The highlight consisted of 2 penalties and a couple of Scots trying to knock each other out. This code cannot compete and expect coverage with the national side playing so poorly regardless of how many SXV titles we win. Then I get to work and suffer a Pom giving shit about the world beating Wallabies. Enough is enough Robbie, time to take one for the team.
If a new coach were to take over doing so before TRC is about the only option to let them work there magic.
How crap is it to hear the only report on the news about the game saying the Wallabies suffer another loss as if this is a joke. The highlight consisted of 2 penalties and a couple of Scots trying to knock each other out. This code cannot compete and expect coverage with the national side playing so poorly regardless of how many SXV titles we win. Then I get to work and suffer a Pom giving shit about the world beating Wallabies. Enough is enough Robbie, time to take one for the team.
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Ken Catchpole (46)
You must master your rage, or rage will become your master...
Cods wallop.
A Robbie deans quote is like an example of newspeak.
mudskipper
Colin Windon (37)
I'm beginning to suspect Deans only surrounds himself with yes men much like JON... This goes for players as well as staff... The problem is people stop solving the issues they’re confronted with on or off the field and wait for direction from above. Many people thought Deans was coming with answers but he hasn’t, in reality its just gets down to hard work and good communication with those around you... clearly the Wallabies need more.
Unless Deans puts on a Wallabies jersey and runs out onto the field I think he better start encouraging those around him to be more proactive and accountable for their results in their specialized line of work... be it player or staffer…
Unless Deans puts on a Wallabies jersey and runs out onto the field I think he better start encouraging those around him to be more proactive and accountable for their results in their specialized line of work... be it player or staffer…
Bruce Ross
Ken Catchpole (46)
Well, muddy, he's just got himself another yes man in Tony McGahan. The difference this time is that unless Robbie says "yes" to whatever Totality instructs him to do he may find himself garbage-bagged out the door.
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Greg Davis (50)
At least we have the ability to win against teams we should lose to........oh, never mind.
Hardtackle
Charlie Fox (21)
I suspect you're right. I can't see it happening as leopards don't change their spots - particularly when under pressure. If we lose the series against Wales, which is on the cards, then his ARU defenders will start to cut him loose. If they don't, they'll start to be seen as a major part of the problem and the howling of the mob will become deafening.
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Alan Cameron (40)
I just can't get images of the tactics talk going down, Robbie all animated at the front of the Seminar room, pointing here and there on his electronic whiteboard and all the players looking vervously at each other shrugging their shoulders.
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Desmond Connor (43)
The writing is on the wall, the hook is just behind the curtain - Mr Deans, please take a final bow & leave the stage.
As a professional national coach, he is just not up to scratch.
A very good summation of Robbie whom really just doesn't have it. If the Wallabies lose on Saturday then he will have a worse success rate than Eddie Jones
WAYNE SMITH
Little things don't add up when Wallabies called to account
·BY:WAYNE SMITH
·From:The Australian
·June 07, 2012 12:00AM
BEN Alexander has played the entire Super Rugby season at loosehead for the Brumbies, James Slipper at tighthead for the Reds. Why then did they pack on the opposite sides of that fatal final scrum against Scotland?
And not just in that scrum but in the three or four untidy set pieces that ominously preceded it in the final 10 minutes at Newcastle after well-performed tighthead Dan Palmer was replaced and Alexander sent on as a substitute, which gives rise to a whole new set of questions about the way Wallabies coach Robbie Deans uses his bench. More of that a little later.
Presumably, Deans rates Alexander a better tighthead than loosehead, Slipper better at one than at three, this despite the fact that their respective Super Rugby coaches, Jake White and Ewen McKenzie, both World Cup winners, think differently.
These are just little things but as has been demonstrated time and again with this Wallabies side, it is the little things that bring them undone; like not fielding a specialist seven against Ireland in the World Cup, or box-kicking away half a dozen pieces of quality possession early against the All Blacks in the World Cup semi-final.
Little things count because they lead to big, embarrassing defeats. Little things count because they threaten to cut short Deans's career as coach. In one of those quirky statistical coincidences that sport occasionally throws up, his record as Australia coach is identical to Eddie Jones's - played 57, won 33, lost 23, drawn one, winning percentage 57.9. And we all recall how unlamented Jones was after being sent to the guillotine.
Is it time to send the tumbrel for Deans? Heaven knows he keeps his critics supplied with an endless supply of ammunition.
One wonders, for instance, why Deans bothers including Reds hooker Saia Fainga'a in his match-day 22 if he has no intention whatever of using him. Better to suit up a battle-weary Tatafu Polota-Nau on the off-chance that Stephen Moore goes down.
And why was Pat McCabe not sent into the fray on Tuesday night? Deans stuck with him through the critical stages of the World Cup when everyone could see his lack of a passing game would completely stifle the Wallabies' wide attack. Yet on an atrocious Newcastle night when a non-passing, hard-running inside centre could have been gainfully employed, McCabe sat shivering on the bench, also unused.
It has become painfully clear that when the pressure is on, Deans's Wallabies shrink into a side playing mindless, narrow, one-dimensional rugby. Even the diplomatic Scotland coach Andy Robinson remarked how relieved he was that Australia, even allowing for the atrocious conditions, did not challenge his defence more by moving the ball around.
Endless pick-and-drives asked nothing of the Scots, save for the most basic of queries. Can you tackle? Do you have courage? As if such insulting questions should ever be asked of Scots!
It may well be that the TMO was looking at the wrong part of the screen when one camera angle showed Rob Simmons did barge over for what probably would have been the winning try but it still is utterly demoralising that a Wallabies side could enjoy so much possession and do so little with it. Whatever happened to the days when Australia brought to the world rugby stage skill and intelligence? If, as Deans suggested afterwards, a sense of clarity is missing from the team's DNA, whose fault is that?
Let's not be misled, either, by sympathetic talk that the Wallabies had only one training run together. That's simply not true. The Reds and Force players were in camp for 10 days before the Scotland Test.
Why did Deans not stack his starting side with players from these two franchises and use the likes of Sitaleki Timani and Dave Dennis, still weary from the Tahs match against the Hurricanes, off the bench? Not for the first time was there a disconnect between team selection and match strategy.
The real question, of course, is why John O'Neill and the ARU would place the Wallabies in so much jeopardy by scheduling a midweek Test. The answer, as we all know, is that the ARU coffers are near-empty and please, let's not hear the same lame excuse about reduced income in a World Cup year.
No one could accurately predict Tuesday's wild weather but the ARU had four years to prepare financially for a post-RWC rainy day and didn't organise so much as an umbrella.
Its only solution was to flog an extra money-making Test out of the Wallabies, just as they flogged two extra matches out of them last year following the World Cup. The Scotland Test was always an ambush waiting to happen and the tragedy will be that innocent players will be scapegoated and never seen again in a Wallabies jersey, just as Beau Robinson and Rod Davies were thrown to the wolves after last year's Samoa fiasco.
So, no, don't send the tumbrel for Deans, not yet anyway.
It has a few other passengers to transport to the guillotine first.
As a professional national coach, he is just not up to scratch.
A very good summation of Robbie whom really just doesn't have it. If the Wallabies lose on Saturday then he will have a worse success rate than Eddie Jones
WAYNE SMITH
Little things don't add up when Wallabies called to account
·BY:WAYNE SMITH
·From:The Australian
·June 07, 2012 12:00AM
BEN Alexander has played the entire Super Rugby season at loosehead for the Brumbies, James Slipper at tighthead for the Reds. Why then did they pack on the opposite sides of that fatal final scrum against Scotland?
And not just in that scrum but in the three or four untidy set pieces that ominously preceded it in the final 10 minutes at Newcastle after well-performed tighthead Dan Palmer was replaced and Alexander sent on as a substitute, which gives rise to a whole new set of questions about the way Wallabies coach Robbie Deans uses his bench. More of that a little later.
Presumably, Deans rates Alexander a better tighthead than loosehead, Slipper better at one than at three, this despite the fact that their respective Super Rugby coaches, Jake White and Ewen McKenzie, both World Cup winners, think differently.
These are just little things but as has been demonstrated time and again with this Wallabies side, it is the little things that bring them undone; like not fielding a specialist seven against Ireland in the World Cup, or box-kicking away half a dozen pieces of quality possession early against the All Blacks in the World Cup semi-final.
Little things count because they lead to big, embarrassing defeats. Little things count because they threaten to cut short Deans's career as coach. In one of those quirky statistical coincidences that sport occasionally throws up, his record as Australia coach is identical to Eddie Jones's - played 57, won 33, lost 23, drawn one, winning percentage 57.9. And we all recall how unlamented Jones was after being sent to the guillotine.
Is it time to send the tumbrel for Deans? Heaven knows he keeps his critics supplied with an endless supply of ammunition.
One wonders, for instance, why Deans bothers including Reds hooker Saia Fainga'a in his match-day 22 if he has no intention whatever of using him. Better to suit up a battle-weary Tatafu Polota-Nau on the off-chance that Stephen Moore goes down.
And why was Pat McCabe not sent into the fray on Tuesday night? Deans stuck with him through the critical stages of the World Cup when everyone could see his lack of a passing game would completely stifle the Wallabies' wide attack. Yet on an atrocious Newcastle night when a non-passing, hard-running inside centre could have been gainfully employed, McCabe sat shivering on the bench, also unused.
It has become painfully clear that when the pressure is on, Deans's Wallabies shrink into a side playing mindless, narrow, one-dimensional rugby. Even the diplomatic Scotland coach Andy Robinson remarked how relieved he was that Australia, even allowing for the atrocious conditions, did not challenge his defence more by moving the ball around.
Endless pick-and-drives asked nothing of the Scots, save for the most basic of queries. Can you tackle? Do you have courage? As if such insulting questions should ever be asked of Scots!
It may well be that the TMO was looking at the wrong part of the screen when one camera angle showed Rob Simmons did barge over for what probably would have been the winning try but it still is utterly demoralising that a Wallabies side could enjoy so much possession and do so little with it. Whatever happened to the days when Australia brought to the world rugby stage skill and intelligence? If, as Deans suggested afterwards, a sense of clarity is missing from the team's DNA, whose fault is that?
Let's not be misled, either, by sympathetic talk that the Wallabies had only one training run together. That's simply not true. The Reds and Force players were in camp for 10 days before the Scotland Test.
Why did Deans not stack his starting side with players from these two franchises and use the likes of Sitaleki Timani and Dave Dennis, still weary from the Tahs match against the Hurricanes, off the bench? Not for the first time was there a disconnect between team selection and match strategy.
The real question, of course, is why John O'Neill and the ARU would place the Wallabies in so much jeopardy by scheduling a midweek Test. The answer, as we all know, is that the ARU coffers are near-empty and please, let's not hear the same lame excuse about reduced income in a World Cup year.
No one could accurately predict Tuesday's wild weather but the ARU had four years to prepare financially for a post-RWC rainy day and didn't organise so much as an umbrella.
Its only solution was to flog an extra money-making Test out of the Wallabies, just as they flogged two extra matches out of them last year following the World Cup. The Scotland Test was always an ambush waiting to happen and the tragedy will be that innocent players will be scapegoated and never seen again in a Wallabies jersey, just as Beau Robinson and Rod Davies were thrown to the wolves after last year's Samoa fiasco.
So, no, don't send the tumbrel for Deans, not yet anyway.
It has a few other passengers to transport to the guillotine first.
Hardtackle
Charlie Fox (21)
great article by Smith
Jnor
Peter Fenwicke (45)
Something I've been thinking for a while: if Robbie is really as nonsensical and impenetrable as conventional wisdom seems to suggest - both in his instructions to players and interaction with the media - surely one or many of the senior Wallabies or coaching staff have pulled him aside and said 'look mate, that's really great but we all have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.'
There have to be gameplans and strategies that the players understand and try to execute. It just seems that the plans themselves are not up to scratch. The communication angle has to be overstated after this long.
There have to be gameplans and strategies that the players understand and try to execute. It just seems that the plans themselves are not up to scratch. The communication angle has to be overstated after this long.
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