ISA Rugby 2012

[Tough It]

No 7 for ISA 1sts has been cut as well as 14 and 12. No 6 for ISA 2nds will be Promoted to the 1sts. Selectors looking for some Size. Forwards need to do their job, and leave the Backs alone to do their job. Too many forwards hanging in the Backs.

 

[Done that]

CHS outmuscled ISA in the forwards for much of the game , with obvious consequences.
In the latter stages of the match , the ISA guys did gain some parity however , looking fitter & more mobile , as the bigger CHS forwards tired.
In the CHS v. CAS game , the CAS forwards clearly outplayed their opponents .
The CAS pack , whilst not appearing quite as heavy as CHS , are not small , have plenty of height , & significantly in the CHS game , are quite mobile.
These facts should be taken into account when choosing the ISA forwards ,for Friday's game.

 

[ISA Follower]

From my viewpoint I would like to see Woodward in the 1’s at 12 (mainly because of his defensive capabilities), notwithstanding I thought number 13 was the weaker of the centre’s in 1’s. Can the Auggies 12 play 13?

A bit of size at eight would also be helpful to the 1’s.

I thought the 7 in the 1’s did well, creating a number of turnovers and a few burrowing runs. His in close tackling technique of latching onto the ball saw him being carried backwards once that I noticed, but this to me, showed up a lack of support from his teammates rather than a weakness in his own game.

 

[Runner]

From my viewpoint I would like to see Woodward in the 1’s at 12 (mainly because of his defensive capabilities), notwithstanding I thought number 13 was the weaker of the centre’s in 1’s. Can the Auggies 12 play 13?

A bit of size at eight would also be helpful to the 1’s.

I thought the 7 in the 1’s did well, creating a number of turnovers and a few burrowing runs. His in close tackling technique of latching onto the ball saw him being carried backwards once that I noticed, but this to me, showed up a lack of support from his teammates rather than a weakness in his own game.

From previous games I've seen the 8 plays 6 for Auggies and he and 7 are a good combination. A bigger 8 would help.

 

[Pedro]

Waratah Shield - Stannies 21 defeat Farrer 15 Farrer have 4 players in CHS which smashed ISA. Stannies only have 1 player in ISA 1s and 2 in ISA 2nds.
Stannies backs passed the ball back 35 metres and then lost posession numerous times without anyone running onto the ball until 10 minutes into second half, forwards had to get possession and bring it back.
Explain why Farrer have 4 players in CHS, Stannies backs except the fullback are needing grunt, ISA 1s got smashed by CHS and yet Stannies only have one forward in ISA 1s ?
You guys cannot complain you got what you wanted in ISA 1s and got smashed. Only 2 players in ISA 1s which are not Auggies. You told me all other teams don't have the intensity to put it to them- neither does Auggies.

 

[Pedro]

You guys amaze me, you know little, its not about size its about strength and explosive strength and edurance and skill. You go ahead and pick big blokes, one of my sons is "big" 110kg but nowhere as strong and mobile as his smaller brother, who has very little fat %. I saw those fat CHS players they obviously cannot last 2 X 40 minute sesions, how will they go playing colts next year ? They could not last 30 minutes on Sunday. Bet if you put probes on them they will be 25% fat or more.

 

[I like to watch]

Explain why Farrer have 4 players in CHS, Stannies backs except the fullback are needing grunt, ISA 1s got smashed by CHS and yet Stannies only have one forward in ISA 1s ?
You guys cannot complain you got what you wanted in ISA 1s and got smashed. Only 2 players in ISA 1s which are not Auggies. You told me all other teams don't have the intensity to put it to them- neither does Auggies.

Ok Pedro, I'll bite.
You are the first to describe a 1 point loss as having been smashed.If you were at the game you would have seen
CHS scoring a "cheap" try when the TJ ruled a kick out, ISA stopped chasing and when the ref overuled the TJ, the CHS boys were away and scored in the corner.
with less than 5 to go the ISA 15 had try disallowed that would have won them the game.
CHS dominated possession, yet only outscored ISA by 1.
Beaten ? yes
Smashed? Not even close.

As to the bleat about who played in what team, I believe that most agree that ISA lacked size in the pack. The Stannies boy was not big.I would not have been surprised to have seen him swapped for a larger unit from the II's for the next game.

 

[Pedro]

Hey Watch, how are you mate ? You are right I was there but left before half time, in 1s game, I just went on the complaints you guys made above. Watch you are also right that Stannies kid ( Luke Cullinane) is not big.
I am very glad to hear they went as well as they did. Lets hope the selectors get it right.
Yes I think there were bigger blokes to be placed in 1s, but be carefull some of ther solid shorter blokes are stronger, yet you still need blokes like that stannies kid to lift for the lineout ball. I am not saying him, but someone tallish, there were Oakhill kids who must be right for the bill.

 

[Pedro]

I am trying to stir up a hornets nest but I am told lots of the sports high blokes line up to play league the next year anyway.
Rugby club selectors from the major Sydney clubs know who they can rely on to turn up next year who will let them down, and who will go to league, and who will represent their club well, on and off the field. Some of the very greatest schoolboy players there have ever been never made it any further.
When do ISA 1s and 2nds play on Friday please, I can stay for all the games this time and I will be wearing a Stannies tie, if you want to come over and say hello you are welcome guys, you don't have to agree with what I say either, and I don't look like the nut someone put up as me. lol

 

[Pedro]

Heally, I am afraid the only way Auggies will not win is if their bus breaks down going to an away game Maybe they will get snowed in at Katoomba on the way to Bathurst -- that would be strange !

Hey rugby, Knox got snowed in after they played Stannies in the Waratah Shield, everyone thought it was funny, they had to catch the train home, except my old school mate head of sport at knox David Cobb.

 

[Lee Grant]

When do ISA 1s and 2nds play on Friday please

Note that the games are not at the Knox main ground but at their Curagul ground on Bobbin Head Rd.​

Country v AICES​

Kickoff @ 9:45 am​

GPS III v CCC​

Kickoff @ 10.55 am​

CAS II v ISA II​

Kickoff @ 12:05 pm​

GPS II v CHS II​

Kickoff @ 1:15 pm​

CAS I v ISA I​

Kickoff @ 2.25pm​

CHS 1v GPS 1​

Kickoff @ 3.35pm​

 

[Pedro]

Hey Lee thanks lots looks entertaining

 

[Oaks]

Watched to Andrews v Pius game it I say it was a good game but pius being the smarter team andrews ran the ball out of their own half and solid work but loosing it in the end. Also with the sin binnings in the start leading to their downfall. I was suprised to see Talanoa playing at 8 and also playing very well there he was unstoppable with the ball don't know why he never got an ISA jersey. Takau also having a blinder he should have solid game in the ISA. Ben brooke also was a solid asset to pius's attack

 

[Rugby Mum]

You guys amaze me, you know little, its not about size its about strength and explosive strength and edurance and skill. You go ahead and pick big blokes, one of my sons is "big" 110kg but nowhere as strong and mobile as his smaller brother, who has very little fat %. I saw those fat CHS players they obviously cannot last 2 X 40 minute sesions, how will they go playing colts next year ? They could not last 30 minutes on Sunday. Bet if you put probes on them they will be 25% fat or more.

Very True. Seems these school sides value size over strength, skill and mobility. Seen it recently at trials where the smaller mobile kids on the bench - get out on to give the bigger boys a rest after 15 or 20 minutes....

 

[Done that]

You guys amaze me, you know little, its not about size its about strength and explosive strength and edurance and skill. You go ahead and pick big blokes, one of my sons is "big" 110kg but nowhere as strong and mobile as his smaller brother, who has very little fat %. I saw those fat CHS players they obviously cannot last 2 X 40 minute sesions, how will they go playing colts next year ? They could not last 30 minutes on Sunday. Bet if you put probes on them they will be 25% fat or more.

A GOOD big bloke will always beat a GOOD little bloke.
Emphasis is on the word GOOD obviously.
It doesn't follow that because you're big that you are unfit & have no skills & strength , nor does the contrary apply , i.e. that being small means that you must be fit , skillful ,& strong.

 

[Pedro]

Some top performances especially No 9 but No 5 was quite noticeable late to every breakdown got up out of every ruck slowely very pedestrian

 

[RugbyTears]

Some top performances especially No 9 but No 5it was quite noticeable late to every breakdown got up out of every ruck slowely very pedestrian

Pedro, you referring to the yesterday's ISA 1 game ? Or is this a bait to get some of us to react like you normally do ? If it is, let me be the first bunny to react. Got flogged by 40 points, exposed at every aspect of the game, embarassed to see the best of ISA is 40 points behind the best of CAS -- there were no top performances from ISA at all yesterday. Oppps, unless you were referring to CAS and I do agree with you their No 9 did well.

 

[Pedro]

Hey Tears by name & nature, I thought GPS 11 and 1 and CAS 1 were good teams and ISA 1 No 5 had a shoker and ISA 1 No 9 tried hard and did everything he could
About big or little GPS 1 are not big but the right size mobility strength and skill with explosive strength counts
ISA coaches will do better when they run leads like they do in league, passing back to a back but having a forward running angles or straight like CAS and GPS did.
CAS and GPS also worked angles out wide some of you gave certain players credit for that in CAS and GPS threads but they were planned and worked moves by the whole team not an individual brilliance, although it may have looked like an individual effort.

 

[Pedro]

The ideal size in the past for an under 18 prop is 100 kg +- 8 kg, and can run 40 m in 5.9 secs.
Examlpe: Liam Berry is about 110 kg but has spent too much time on heavy weights, and not enough on agility and sprints and olympic lifts, so he is too slow but is very strong in scrums.
This can be corrected with a good sprint and agility coach, changing his training technique and using to Asics Warno 11 boots with appropriate sprigs on grounds like Narrabeen: he played ISA 11 on Friday.

 

[Pedro]

ISA can take a leaf out of GPS book, Kings get their players to the correct fitness for their position. GPS rep coaches get the right size players for positions and get their moves worked out, many of those moves come from league.