School sporting scholarships/recruitment

[Hugh Jarse]

You can review each individual from the current 1st XV team but yes they are. Most are on half scholarships relating to certain aspects of the scholarships that Newington College offer. I am not disheartened or arguing what I have posted I am just simply stating what it is. There is nothing wrong or bad about this years currnt 1st XV but it was just interesting to show and know.

There are a lot of boys getting a quality education at less than "market rates".

How soon before the Australian Federal Treasurer (on advice from some Gollumlike Civil servant in the Tax Office) works out that there is some form of Fringe Benefit associated with a child receiving an education cheaper than the others and charges a FBT on all school scholarships (sports, leadership and musical etc)?

 

[redatheart]

Tough dilemma - well done on your boy's grades - he is obviously invested in the school and working his heart out, and getting results all around because of his engagement - you and he chose the school, not the other way around...I heard of a school up here that had a list of scholarship targets, but one of the boys genuinely wanted to attend, and his parents, perhaps niavely but certainly well-intended, enrolled him before scholarships were offered, so the school took him off the list...
Tough on the full fee payers in the First XVs that have been there for a while ...

Thanks Vegas. That was not the case with me. Am I as a parent greedy for looking at the fact that I am probably the only one paying full fees for my lad out of the rest of the 1stXV? I also look at the kids who missed out on a 1st Jersey and am sad for them, but glad he was good enough to make the team. This crystallises the fact that to have a top notch 1stXV, schools happily offer incentives for good players. Is the ?accidental? non scholarship talent worth rewarding?

 

[lincoln]

There are a lot of boys getting a quality education at less than "market rates".

How soon before the Australian Federal Treasurer (on advice from some Gollumlike Civil servant in the Tax Office) works out that there is some form of Fringe Benefit associated with a child receiving an education cheaper than the others and charges a FBT on all school scholarships (sports, leadership and musical etc)?

Or indeed the ATO deems the boy to be professional (especially if they have a league contract) and considers the scholarship to be income.

 

[BellyTwoBlues]

Sporting Scholarships?

What Sporting Scholarships?

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Some would argue yes and some no. There have been cases of people going to GPS school's from AIC (your version of ISA), however rarely.

And what about the public High Schools - did they play rugby in the 60's and 70s (and before) and do they now?

 

[Inside Shoulder]

redatheart, would'nt you have paid his last fees by now??

The relief can almost be smelt in your post, strokeside.
redatheart I reckon the school would need to have a real fear of you leaving before that would happen

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Or in NZ. They advertise in the paper for rugby scholarships at certain traditional rugby powerhouse schools.

The funny thing is that many of these rugby scholarships are at state funded schools like <insert town> Boys High School where the school fees are less than $1000 per year.

and many of those are boarding schools.
From a rugby point of view their school system is better than ours by a country mile.
But that's true of most things to do with rugby over there.

 

[Quick Hands]

Not to metion the moral/ethical issues of whether perceived weaknesses in teams should be covered by importing a star player from somewhere else instead of improving the players that are already there. It's called coaching and development.

 

[strokeside]

Redatheart,
take pride, rejoice and enjoy your complete independence, as you have achieved what the GPS gods originally set out to offer. Your boy has received a great education, and genuinely eared his place in the school 1st XV,.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Br Henry said: TSC played SJC in 20 games today.

TSC won 3 (1st XV, 13A and 14G's)
SJC won 17



Looks like the year 7 recruitment was well targeted.


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[Quick Hands]

@brhenry said: TSC played SJC in 20 games today.

TSC won 3 (1st XV, 13A and 14G's)
SJC won 17

Why did Scots only play 20 games against Joeys when they have 30 teams at Bellevue Hill? Anyone?

Looks like the year 7 recruitment was well targeted.


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2nds, 5ths, Cs and Es from each age group playing Grammar at Weigall

 

[Dark Shark]

I was wondering if Richie Asiata took to the field today for ACGS FirstvXV. If so I will be interested to see if any fall out or repercussions.

 

[Vegas]

I was wondering if Richie Asiata took to the field today for ACGS FirstvXV. If so I will be interested to see if any fall out or repercussions.

Not sure Dark Shark - we will have to go back to the Qld GPS thread and see if we can pick p a teamlist for today, and then given that the discussion apparently really isn't about Qld GPS Rugby, as much as we would love to comment on his influence n the game, come back to this thread and discuss !!!!
Seriously though - if he did, ACGS should lose al points for the season.

 

[fairplay]

Not sure Dark Shark - we will have to go back to the Qld GPS thread and see if we can pick p a teamlist for today, and then given that the discussion apparently really isn't about Qld GPS Rugby, as much as we would love to comment on his influence n the game, come back to this thread and discuss !!!!
Seriously though - if he did, ACGS should lose al points for the season.

It looks like he didn't play. I accept that scholarships and aggressive recruitment from other programs is a part of QLD GPS (in some schools very much more so!), but I'm glad to see that line has not been crossed.

Having said that, all the best to the young man, I'm sure he will have a cracker of a season next year.

 

[Brian Westlake]

Where does it state Year 7 athletic scholarships are ok?
Code of Practice

In the light of these principles, the GPS Headmasters affirm the following code of practice:

1. No inducements such as sporting scholarships, whether direct, disguised, or at arm's length, shall be offered by any member school. Financial assistance to talented sportsmen shall not form part of the enrolment strategy of any member school.
2. We affirm that the Headmaster of each school is responsible for knowing the special circumstances relating to the admission of boys to his school.
3. In the selection and training of boys in teams or crews, the good of the individual boy shall remain paramount.
4. While allowing for some exceptional circumstances, we believe that it is poor educational practice for a boy to engage in a single sport throughout the year.

In regards to this, paricularly point 1.
If the arms length scholarship is being payed for by a sports governing body... Say... Cricket NSW???? To not besmurch NSWRU, does this make it all OK?
I am sure that maybe a couple of gaggers out there could clarify?
I am not sure of whether this could be called a scholarship or gainful employment?

 

[Brian Westlake]

Rumour has it that the parents of the Whitelock boys (all 4 of them are playing for the Canterbury Crusaders) in NZ sent their boys to boarding school and they reckon that they were better off on the basis of the reduction in their overall food bill. Not sure how many junior @redathearts you have boarding. Boarding fees in QLD approach NSW day boy fees.

HJ, the wonderful Mrs Westlake did the exercise when we had both boys boarding ( only 2 years together ) and she said that we were only out of pocket to the sum of $85 per week in food and bev. This also did not have fuel,accommodation for us due to functions etc. the only problem was when she went to school to have lunch with the Westlake lads, it became an expensive exercise in the fact of the older one having 6 mates and the younger having the entire cricket all "drop by" when she turned up! She wouldn't have changed it for the world as she now has around 40 other sons that she loves dearly and they the same .
The smile on her face is better than any scholarship

 

[Inside Shoulder]

In regards to this, paricularly point 1.
If the arms length scholarship is being payed for by a sports governing body. Say. Cricket NSW???? To not besmurch NSWRU, does this make it all OK?
I am sure that maybe a couple of gaggers out there could clarify?
I am not sure of whether this could be called a scholarship or gainful employment?

Its a direct breach of the very broad prohibition.

1. No inducements such as sporting scholarships, whether direct, disguised, or at arm's length, shall be offered by any member school. Financial assistance to talented sportsmen shall not form part of the enrolment strategy of any member school.

The first paragraph works on 2 levels:

• you cannot have a casual one off situation where someone else pays for a kid by reference to sporting prowess (assuming that that is what is covered by "sporting scholarship" - i.e. a kid who's guardian/relative of guardian is not responsible for the school's fees);
• you cannot employ any systematic approach - such as waiting until the U16 nationals or the NSWPSSA Champs.

At the moment I cannot think of any circumstance in which this code would permit recruitment of a child based solely on sporting ability and in the 103 pages of this thread I cannot remember anyone seeking to defend any school on the basis of a loophole - the only defences have been "who cares", "what about the benefit derived by the boy" and "he's on a triangle scholarship"

 

[Brian Westlake]

^^^^^ I would love to drop this one right in one of Gaggerlanders laps, but the lad is in year 12 and doesn't need grief. I was astounded to actually hear it come from athird party, then to be backed up by said young man and parent. Sometimes ignorance of whom you discuss things with astound me.

 

[Quick Hands]

Its a direct breach of the very broad prohibition.

The first paragraph works on 2 levels:

• you cannot have a casual one off situation where someone else pays for a kid by reference to sporting prowess (assuming that that is what is covered by "sporting scholarship" - i.e. a kid who's guardian/relative of guardian is not responsible for the school's fees);
• you cannot employ any systematic approach - such as waiting until the U16 nationals or the NSWPSSA Champs.

At the moment I cannot think of any circumstance in which this code would permit recruitment of a child based solely on sporting ability and in the 103 pages of this thread I cannot remember anyone seeking to defend any school on the basis of a loophole - the only defences have been "who cares", "what about the benefit derived by the boy" and "he's on a triangle scholarship"

And the code also refers to 'any inducement', and gives sporting scholarships as but one example 'such as sporting scholarships'.

So the code doesn't just prohibit "sporting scholarships" but "ANY INDUCEMENT"

The tests are:

1. Inducements to enrol (including but not limited to scholarships bursaries etc)

2. On the basis of sporting ability

3. Includes where offered by 3rd parties

4. Each Headmaster is responsible for knowing the circumstances of boys enrolled at the school

 

[Taipan168]

I was wondering if Richie Asiata took to the field today for ACGS FirstvXV. If so I will be interested to see if any fall out or repercussions.

He played in the Seconds