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Peter Sullivan (51)
He scored 22 in the first inn and 6 in the 2nd. He hasnt bowled at all during the match
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2013 Ashes Part 2 - Down Under
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That was a good breakthrough with Johnson having Pieterson caught in the deep to have the Soap Dodgers at 3/72. Just need Cook or Bell to go soon and it's all over.
AngrySeahorse
Peter Sullivan (51)
Nice to see the substitute fielder take the catch too!
Yep, Cook & Bell need to go, preferably in quick succession.
AngrySeahorse
Peter Sullivan (51)
Nice stuff from Johnson & Lyon.
Lets hope this is a portent for the Summer.
2 more cherries needed.
2 more cherries needed.
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Peter Fenwicke (45)
Johnson, you bloody ripper. The change in his technique has given him the confidence and pace we saw that scared nearly every batsman in the world. Lets see the consistency throughout the series now.
Only real issue I have with that test is our batting performance in the first innings. Without Haddin and Johnson we would have been in serious strife. They made our score look respectable and that partnership was the difference between the two teams after day 2. For me, it was the defining moment of the test match, closely followed by the English middle order collapse.
Rogers, Bailey and Watson have some work to do in the next test to secure their places. Clarke, Haddin and Warner were superb and Smith showed signs he is the right man for the middle order. Lyon, Siddle and Harris deserve a lot more praise but you cannot deny that Johnson was the x-factor we have been missing.
Loved the chat between the two teams and despite the English press being very sour losers, we should keep giving it to the main antagonists (andersen, pietersen, broad, bell). The mental edge is just as important as winning and watching the poms whinge about losing brings back my passion for the game.
Lehmann deserves a lot of the credit for the team performance. Bringing back Johnson was a masterstroke for this series. He has obviously dealt with some of the off field issues that have been plaguing the side.
Same team for the next test and afterwards we can talk about who's spots are up for grabs. The recent state performances of Marcus North, Phil Hughes, Alex Doolan, Ed Cowan, Ryan Carters, Travis Head, Shaun Marsh and Jordan Silk are very encouraging and illustrate that we are starting to build some depth in the batting ranks.
Only real issue I have with that test is our batting performance in the first innings. Without Haddin and Johnson we would have been in serious strife. They made our score look respectable and that partnership was the difference between the two teams after day 2. For me, it was the defining moment of the test match, closely followed by the English middle order collapse.
Rogers, Bailey and Watson have some work to do in the next test to secure their places. Clarke, Haddin and Warner were superb and Smith showed signs he is the right man for the middle order. Lyon, Siddle and Harris deserve a lot more praise but you cannot deny that Johnson was the x-factor we have been missing.
Loved the chat between the two teams and despite the English press being very sour losers, we should keep giving it to the main antagonists (andersen, pietersen, broad, bell). The mental edge is just as important as winning and watching the poms whinge about losing brings back my passion for the game.
Lehmann deserves a lot of the credit for the team performance. Bringing back Johnson was a masterstroke for this series. He has obviously dealt with some of the off field issues that have been plaguing the side.
Same team for the next test and afterwards we can talk about who's spots are up for grabs. The recent state performances of Marcus North, Phil Hughes, Alex Doolan, Ed Cowan, Ryan Carters, Travis Head, Shaun Marsh and Jordan Silk are very encouraging and illustrate that we are starting to build some depth in the batting ranks.
The non-Australian born folk in the Gulag that were rather knowledgeable about Sport on Thursday have been very quiet today. Not a word. Beautiful.
The non-Australian born folk from the Asian Sub-continent have smiled for the first time since Sachin retired. Guess they like the Soap Dodgers as much as the rest of us.
The non-Australian born folk from the Asian Sub-continent have smiled for the first time since Sachin retired. Guess they like the Soap Dodgers as much as the rest of us.
I don't know that is really true. I highly doubt Johnson would have played the first test if Pattinson, Starc, and Bird had all been healthy. It would have possibly only required one of them to have been got for him to have missed out.
I think his selection was more out necessity than any master strategic move.
That said Johnson was exceptional and he should now be a fixture for the series. I bet he is looking forward to the third test in Perth. The English tail, not so much.
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
The amount of sledging in cricket has always pissed me off. It seems cowardly and the lack of opportunity for physical retaliation explains its prevalence.
It's a blight.
Trott's immediate problems might no be being linked to Warner but these blokes should take a little more care of one another.
"Jonathan Trott leaves England's Ashes tour"
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/jonathan-trott-leaves-englands-ashes-tour-20131125-2y60v.html
It's a blight.
Trott's immediate problems might no be being linked to Warner but these blokes should take a little more care of one another.
"Jonathan Trott leaves England's Ashes tour"
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/jonathan-trott-leaves-englands-ashes-tour-20131125-2y60v.html
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John Hipwell (52)
I agree to an extent. What happens on the field should stay there. In the Clarke incident, the stump mike is supposed to be turned off between balls so channel 9 will likely be receiving a please explain and maybe paying compensation for breaching the contract. I doubt it was an accident. He was also reacting to Anderson telling Bailey he was going to punch him.
Warner on the other hand needs to keep his many opinions to himself at the press conferences. That sort of talk without the player there to offer rebuke if he feels the need is poor form.
Warner on the other hand needs to keep his many opinions to himself at the press conferences. That sort of talk without the player there to offer rebuke if he feels the need is poor form.
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David Codey (61)
I don't mind the sledging on the field at all. It is pretty obvious to me that Anderson himself is a big proponent and I am sure has no issue with copping it back. Pretty annoying that Clarke gets done for a similar thing to what probably at least 6-7 other players over both teams would have been guilty of.
The two things I really don't like are:
1. Sledging in the media (Lehman and Warner have been guilty of this)
2. Send offs - Anderson, Broad and Watson do this a lot
The two things I really don't like are:
1. Sledging in the media (Lehman and Warner have been guilty of this)
2. Send offs - Anderson, Broad and Watson do this a lot
Well played, Australia. Now the selectors have to choose a side to win the next test, not play the last one a la a WWI British general. Two players come to mind, Harris and Watson.
Harris's selections have to be carefully monitored as his patched-up body can't take too many consecutive appearances. It is absolutely crucial he's not given one run too many.
Watson? Come here, Shane, no, closer than that. I want to see you bat and bowl in two Sheffield Shield matches in quick succession in which you must shine before you're considered for the test side. Gettit? Next time there's a hint of any injury, off to the knackers.
Harris's selections have to be carefully monitored as his patched-up body can't take too many consecutive appearances. It is absolutely crucial he's not given one run too many.
Watson? Come here, Shane, no, closer than that. I want to see you bat and bowl in two Sheffield Shield matches in quick succession in which you must shine before you're considered for the test side. Gettit? Next time there's a hint of any injury, off to the knackers.
I've never been a Watson fan but I think we should keep the same batting lineup for the second test. Realistically, I would be trying to keep the batsmen settled for the whole series if possible. It would take pretty dire form for anyone to be dropped and I wouldn't do it until after the third test.
None of the options to come into the side have really made a compelling case at this point in time. Hughes, Doolan, Khawaja have all made some scores but have also failed at other times.
We're fortunate that Harris only had to bowl 34 overs over 3 days in Brisbane. That should hopefully mean he's very fresh after the first test. Managing his workload now is crucial though. We've got a long break before the second test in Adelaide (starts on Dec 5) but then we have Perth back to back, then a break and then Melbourne and Sydney back to back.
He's a must play in Perth so that should be a priority.
Adelaide is the flatest deck in the country and you'd expect our bowlers to have to do plenty of work there. I think we'll keep the same bowling lineup for Adelaide but it will be important not to overwork Harris. Siddle should shoulder a big workload in Adelaide and then he could be rested for Perth if required.
The main problem we have is that many of our other bowling options aren't fit right now. Bird was in Brisbane so maybe he is getting close to a comeback. He looked decidedly average in England though.
None of the options to come into the side have really made a compelling case at this point in time. Hughes, Doolan, Khawaja have all made some scores but have also failed at other times.
We're fortunate that Harris only had to bowl 34 overs over 3 days in Brisbane. That should hopefully mean he's very fresh after the first test. Managing his workload now is crucial though. We've got a long break before the second test in Adelaide (starts on Dec 5) but then we have Perth back to back, then a break and then Melbourne and Sydney back to back.
He's a must play in Perth so that should be a priority.
Adelaide is the flatest deck in the country and you'd expect our bowlers to have to do plenty of work there. I think we'll keep the same bowling lineup for Adelaide but it will be important not to overwork Harris. Siddle should shoulder a big workload in Adelaide and then he could be rested for Perth if required.
The main problem we have is that many of our other bowling options aren't fit right now. Bird was in Brisbane so maybe he is getting close to a comeback. He looked decidedly average in England though.
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John Hipwell (52)
Harris has to play the next one and with 10 days off there is no issue with rest. If we win it, it might be tempting to rest him with only 3 days to the Perth test.
Such a short turn around between tests 2 & 3 makes it hard to drop other guys that may be struggling ie Watson, Rogers and Bailey.
Such a short turn around between tests 2 & 3 makes it hard to drop other guys that may be struggling ie Watson, Rogers and Bailey.
The issue will be if we bowl a lot of overs in Adelaide then we have a conundrum heading into Perth. We really want Harris for Perth as he and Johnson are our two most aggressive quicks. I don't think Pattinson is going to be ready until Melbourne if at all.
If we end up resting Harris for Perth, the question of who to bring in will be tricky. Believe it or not, Doug Bollinger could be a chance. He is bowling quite quick and is taking plenty of wickets. The trouble is that he and Johnson are both generally a bit expensive and having them both in Perth could be an issue if they don't get it right.
I wouldn't rest Harris until we have the series won. He is just too important. Yes his body is frail but it is a risk we need to take. Sitting him out will bring in a lesser bowler, which will give the Poms a sniff at a time where it is crucial that we keep the foot on the throat.
Top order is still fragile, but Warner, Clarke and Haddin all look in good nick, and Bailey and Smith both had decent enough digs at one point in the match.
I am not overwhelmingly confident for match 2, I am worried that the Adelaide oval will be as flat as a pancake and allow their top order to bat themselves back into form.
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Top order is still fragile, but Warner, Clarke and Haddin all look in good nick, and Bailey and Smith both had decent enough digs at one point in the match.
I am not overwhelmingly confident for match 2, I am worried that the Adelaide oval will be as flat as a pancake and allow their top order to bat themselves back into form.
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