Federal Coalition Government 2013-?

[Runner]

The high dollar is what is hurting Tasmania. No different to any other tourism heavy economy in Australia.

So now it has dropped from $1.10 US to $0.83 US they should flood in.

 

[Runner]

I'm not sure what the controversy is here....

All the ABC have done here is report on very serious allegations made by refugees and the Indonesian police, supplied with video evidence that allegedly supports the claims....

They've also sought out to get a response from the RAN and the Government regarding these accusations...

The only beat up here is by News, focusing on some supposed Facebook comment, or email (the stories differ... which is it?) by a research assistant trying to get to the truth in the matter because her boss (who is?) has doubts (so?) about the validity of the refugees' claims.....

It's such a flimsy attack on the ABC, but filled with so much rancid jingoistic bait they'll catch a few with it....

Check the Media Watch show and the ABC responses today about their errors.

 

[Brumby Runner]

Don't let your joy of hitting Abbott show too much yet.

They can both be correct about the work conditions.
The workers conditions in some areas is in an EBA before 2012. Those Aboott quotes.
The 2013 apply to new workers is Stone's reference points.
The pther points where Abbott could be wrong may be his advice.

All politicians would be infallible if they didn't listen to advice.

 

[Ruggo]

So now it has dropped from $1.10 US to $0.83 US they should flood in.

Still high. Australia generally kicks along at its best when the dollar sits around the mid 70's.

Tourists to Australia will flood to Tasmania after we have finished fucking up the Great Barrier Reef.

 

[boyo]

SPC Ardmona denies it's too generous to workers


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-04/nrn-spc-pay-claims/5237440

 

[Ruggo]

Don't let your joy of hitting Abbott show too much yet.

They can both be correct about the work conditions.
The workers conditions in some areas is in an EBA before 2012. Those Aboott quotes.
The 2013 apply to new workers is Stone's reference points.
The pther points where Abbott could be wrong may be his advice.

No, Abbott just like so many times in the past has been exposed as a total fucking hypocrite.

Listen to Stone's full interview on the ABC AM program and you will appreciate the depth of her reply and the detail covered regarding the SPC issue. The bit about her calling them liars is just the juicy bit.

The one thing that the Liberal party has always had is some good moderates that have never been shy of standing up to the far right crazies. Good to see they still exist.

 

[Runner]

No, Abbott just like so many times in the past has been exposed as a total fucking hypocrite.

Listen to Stone's full interview on the ABC AM program and you will appreciate the depth of her reply and the detail covered regarding the SPC issue. The bit about her calling them liars is just the juicy bit.

The one thing that the Liberal party has always had is some good moderates that have never been shy of standing up to the far right crazies. Good to see they still exist.

Sounds spirited. She won't be expelled as she would in ALP.

 

[Ruggo]

This is not about the ALP but you already know that don't you runner?

 

[Bruwheresmycar]

Check the Media Watch show and the ABC responses today about their errors.

Yeah because the ABC is suddenly a fair, balanced and reliable source when you think a production of theirs supports what you're saying.

 

[Runner]

Yeah because the ABC is suddenly a fair, balanced and reliable source when you think a production of theirs supports what you're saying.

No just glad they can see when they have missed the mark.

That doesn't change my opinion that the News and Current Affairs area at the ABC is left of centre from the majority of Australians. As the only news/ current affairs group that has such cross media influence, a situation not allowed for commercial interests and being tax payer funded they should be in your words "fair, balanced and reliable"

 

[Runner]

Still high. Australia generally kicks along at its best when the dollar sits around the mid 70's.

Tourists to Australia will flood to Tasmania after we have finished fucking up the Great Barrier Reef.

70% of tourism is domestic and there isn't even enough for Qantas to keep flying the normal fleet to Tasmania. So I don't imagine a $0.50 valuation will change that.

 

[Bruwheresmycar]

That doesn't change my opinion that the News and Current Affairs area at the ABC is left of centre from the majority of Australians. As the only news/ current affairs group that has such cross media influence, a situation not allowed for commercial interests and being tax payer funded they should be in your words "fair, balanced and reliable"

It's not their job to represent the 'median' view among taxpayers on every single subject.

For a start, news generally occurs when conventional wisdom is brought into question. Something which by definition can't be a popular or majority held position.

The problem with the loudest critics of the ABC in this regard, is that time and time again their most serious published work almost always violates the internal protocols of their own organisation, if not the law, or both.

The inconsistent and error ridden thought process leading them to most of their views cannot be formalized in any sense. Which appears to be more of a problem for their thought process (aka: uncritical emotional outbursts in a desperate search for facts that support a pre-determined conclusion tied to an unquestionable ideology) rather than a problem for formalized press guidelines themselves.

The only way the ABC can measure it's independence is to closely follow a formalized set of rules, which they do. Pointing out that people incapable of formalizing a consistent thought process of their own - rarely agree with the ABC's analysis, is a bit like acting surprised on discovery that the majority of Reds fans disagree with anyone who thinks Hooper played a better game than Gill despite all statistics clearly suggesting that was the case.

Once you have been trained to think a certain way it's hard to change. It's not that emotionally driven people aren't entitled to their views, it's just that any organisation wishing to remove subjective bias requires some kind of objective measurement. Saying that, I wish self identified "right of centre" ABC enthusiasts all the best in trying to alter the ABC's self governance in ways that eliminate subjective bias of any sort in the reporting of news.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Why is a claim of lack of bias any more objective than a claim of bias?

For a start, news generally occurs when conventional wisdom is brought into question. Something which by definition can't be a popular or majority held position.

and if this is the true measure of news what is one to make of the absence of follow up stories relating to the UNHCR's efforts to obtain corroboration of the stories told? That the absence of corroboration conforms to conventional wisdom? Just as it did back in 2002?
Have any of you actually considered the several different version of how these refugees claimed to have sustained their burns? Did the ABC explore these inconsistencies? No they buried them in a sound bite 2 weeks ago on radio national of which nothing more has been heard.
Now, why on earth would they do that? Because inconsistencies conform to the conventional wisdom?

 

[Sully]

HOOPER BETTER THAN GILL!!!

maybe at inside centre and show boating.

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[I like to watch]

Don't let your joy of hitting Abbott show too much yet.

They can both be correct about the work conditions.
The workers conditions in some areas is in an EBA before 2012. Those Aboott quotes.
The 2013 apply to new workers is Stone's reference points.
The pther points where Abbott could be wrong may be his advice.

What am I missing?
Their conditions pre 2012 are irrelevant.
It is a lie to present outdated facts,as the current status.
If our Government is solely focused on winning the spin of the next news cycle,they will deservedly be a one term Government.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Now this:

In a joint statement, the corporation's managing director, Mark Scott, and its director of news, Kate Torney, say they "regret if our reporting led anyone to mistakenly assume that the ABC supported the asylum seekers' claims".

More twaddle and not a scintilla of corroborative evidence nor any follow up to tell us where the investigation is up to.

 

[Braveheart81]

That doesn't change my opinion that the News and Current Affairs area at the ABC is left of centre from the majority of Australians.

This sort of comment gets brought up a lot and it isn't just aimed at the ABC.

The ABC and SBS are home to pretty much all of Australia's proper current affairs shows and investigative journalism. These shows generally attract journalists whose political views lean towards the left.

If you look at the other end of the spectrum, the high profile radio hosts, commercial network newsreaders and high profile opinion writers in this country are predominantly conservatives. Most of the highest paid media jobs in Australia fall in this category as well.

Maybe conservatives need to stop questioning why left leaning journos are attracted to certain areas of the media and instead question why conservative journalists are attracted to the highest paying jobs which often come with their own soapbox.

I heard an interview a while ago with an American conservative journalist who was complaining about Hollywood and in particular the Hollywood script/screenwriters being too left leaning. The obvious response was that conservatives are almost by definition not attracted to those sort of jobs that on the whole are very low paying and have low to no job security. Then there's also the proposition that people interested in any sort of creative field are less likely to be conservative.

 

[Runner]

This sort of comment gets brought up a lot and it isn't just aimed at the ABC.

The ABC and SBS are home to pretty much all of Australia's proper current affairs shows and investigative journalism. These shows generally attract journalists whose political views lean towards the left.

If you look at the other end of the spectrum, the high profile radio hosts, commercial network newsreaders and high profile opinion writers in this country are predominantly conservatives. Most of the highest paid media jobs in Australia fall in this category as well.

Maybe conservatives need to stop questioning why left leaning journos are attracted to certain areas of the media and instead question why conservative journalists are attracted to the highest paying jobs which often come with their own soapbox.

I heard an interview a while ago with an American conservative journalist who was complaining about Hollywood and in particular the Hollywood script/screenwriters being too left leaning. The obvious response was that conservatives are almost by definition not attracted to those sort of jobs that on the whole are very low paying and have low to no job security. Then there's also the proposition that people interested in any sort of creative field are less likely to be conservative.

The ABC is publically funded and not like the others. I don't pay for 2GB. Never listen to any of them at all.

If you look at the payscales that came out last year I'd question the "Maybe conservatives need to stop questioning why left leaning journos are attracted to certain areas of the media and instead question why conservative journalists are attracted to the highest paying jobs which often come with their own soapbox.etc"

 

[boyo]

Insert "News Corp/Limited" instead of "ABC" and see how you go.

 

[Braveheart81]

The ABC is publically funded and not like the others. I don't pay for 2GB. Never listen to any of them at all.

If you look at the payscales that came out last year I'd question the "Maybe conservatives need to stop questioning why left leaning journos are attracted to certain areas of the media and instead question why conservative journalists are attracted to the highest paying jobs which often come with their own soapbox.etc"

My firm has and has had several high profile media personalities as clients over the years. If the salary figures that came out for what people like Tony Jones and Leigh Sales (as two of the highest profile personalities at the ABC) are anything to go by then high profile media personalities in the private sector earn a lot more.

Unless it can be shown that the ABC intentionally doesn't hire conservative journalists then I don't think you can put much weight in the argument that they are too left leaning for a publicly funded organisation. They can only work with the journalists available to them.

Maybe conservatives lean more towards media positions where they get more opportunity to state their personal opinion on a regular basis rather than having to maintain a non-partisan view?