3rd tier is back in 2014 [Discontinued]

[the coach]

So assuming that Beale goes back to his old club Randwick and Carraro also returns to Randwick, there will be four contracted Tahs at Randwick.

There seems to be zero evidence to suggest that playing for Randwick gives you a better chance of being a Waratah now that Cheika is coach.

Maybe young players have been attracted to Randwick because they have been poor for the last few years and those players think they'll have a better shot of playing a higher grade quicker?

Beale and Kepu were already contracted to the Tahs before they went to Randwick. Carraro came from the Vikings / Brumbies to the Tahs and then the Wicks. So really only Horwitz could have been in the category of being directed to the Wicks if he wanted to play at the Tahs, so I agree with you Braveheart, playing for the Wicks hasn't resulted in too many Tah's contracts so far.

 

[Dave Beat]

No idea, Dave, but maybe they saw the number of experienced first graders who've left Randwick to go to other clubs since last season and thought there might be some vacancies in first grade. Hope they don't expect to get paid!

Back in Wicks glory days some player gravitated there because they were local, and some gravitated there because the club was renowned for players stepping up to rep duty. What people are suggesting is exactly that, but no different to what we have seen over the decades of club rugby.

Edit - another example, country players wanting to make a career out of rugby gravitate towards the Shute Shield, or Premier Rugby. So why wouldn't they when either leaving school, or moving from the country evaluate their choices of club.
I cannot understand how people can possibly think these players are not looking at paths that they would have to walk to get a 3T jersey.

Coach as in all my posts, nothing against Randwick!!!

But this 3T comp is not about club rugby, and all my posts have been about what IMO would be best for rugby in Australia. $$$$$ were wasted with the ARC, rugby in Australia cant afford to make that mistake again just because of a Brand that was strong in the 80's when TAA was flying high (or Ansett in the 90's).

 

[Braveheart81]

This is only his 2nd season and arguably the first in which he's been able to add some collateral terms to any contract.
Not sure why you defend them - which proposal are the Beasts a part of??

I'm not purposely trying to defend anyone.

I just think that the best chance the NRC has to succeed is if SS clubs and fans let go of their rivalries and jealousies relating to the teams playing in the NRC.

If an NRC team representing one or two SS clubs doesn't try and include players from other clubs then it is unlikely they will bring many fans across and they will miss out there too.

Shute Shield clubs not involved in an NRC team specifically should be doing their best to get their players involved in the NRC. Otherwise, as you've said, those players will end up going elsewhere if they feel that their SS club is a dead end.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Shute Shield clubs not involved in an NRC team specifically should be doing their best to get their players involved in the NRC. Otherwise, as you've said, those players will end up going elsewhere if they feel that their SS club is a dead end.

Its not actually about the fans and it never will be.
I have no connection to any club though I have had connections to a couple many moons ago so i am speaking from outside the tent.
Once this is up and running no player who thinks he's NRC or above quality will play for an SS club that is not part of an NRC team, if there are any such clubs.
That's why they have to be JVs: to ensure that they do not distort a comp that is working OK with little or no help from the ARU.
Uni can stand alone because anyone going there either has to be really good or kidding themself.

 

[the coach]

Back in Wicks glory days some player gravitated there because they were local, and some gravitated there because the club was renowned for plays stepping up to rep duty. What people are suggesting is exactly that, but no different to what we have seen over the decades of club rugby.

Coach as in all my posts, nothing against Randwick!!!

But this 3T comp is not about club rugby, and all my posts have been about what IMO would be best for rugby in Australia. $$$$$ were wasted with the ARC, rugby in Australia cant afford to make that mistake again just because of a Brand that was strong in the 80's when TAA was flying high (or Ansett in the 90's).

I understand Dave, but I can tell you the Randwick brand (I hate that word!) is still strong in NZ. I worked there for 12 months in 2011-12 and it was the only Sydney rugby club most people had heard of. They knew all the league teams due to the TV exposure. I've also been told that Randwick is still well known in the UK and RSA also.

I was not suggesting Randwick should be in the NRC because it is well known, I was just suggesting that that might be the reasoning behind them being selected, if they are. I stand by my earlier comments that for a team to stand alone they need to have the players in the club and I believe Uni are the only team in that position.

 

[Dave Beat]

I understand Dave, but I can tell you the Randwick brand (I hate that word!) is still strong in NZ. I worked there for 12 months in 2011-12 and it was the only Sydney rugby club most people had heard of. They knew all the league teams due to the TV exposure. I've also been told that Randwick is still well known in the UK and RSA also.

I was not suggesting Randwick should be in the NRC because it is well known, I was just suggesting that that might be the reasoning behind them being selected, if they are. I stand by my earlier comments that for a team to stand alone they need to have the players in the club and I believe Uni are the only team in that position.

And right you are.
A club with great history.
The 3T is a steak in the sand which hopefully changes our rugby and sporting landscape for the better. Our juniors have no idea about the Randwick of old, it would be great having a South Harbor Rep (no stand alone randwick) team that they strive to make, follow and support their mates as it will capture allot more interest.

Sydney Uni is the only club who could stand alone, it would cause more damage than good if they were in a JV as they would dominate the team

 

[Braveheart81]

The last thing you want is sand on your steak. It's just too gritty.

 

[Dave Beat]

The last thing you want is sand on your steak. It's just too gritty.

Man up, the South Harbor team is too precious

 

[Tah and feathered]

Brand Randwick should try and get Brand O'conor to play for them

 

[Dave Beat]

Brand Randwick should try and get Brand O'conor to play for them

One of the best for the year.

 

[Tigers Tale]

Brand Randwick poaching Brand O'Connor - very good.

I don't think JOC (James O'Connor) has ever played a club rugby game in Brisbane or Sydney to my knowledge.

But seriously "Randwick" a brand with world wide exposure please!! They are not Manchester United FGS!!

I hazard a guess that only 1 in 10 (@ best) sports followers in QLD would know what Randwick play and I doubt you could find many Qld Rugby fans who could rattle off a couple of Randwick players names. No disrespect to Randwick or the Shute Shield but quite simply no one in Brisbane gets to see the Brisbane Club rugby (Qld Premier Rugby) on TV let alone the Shute Shield anymore.

Randwick lost me when they played the current Wallaby Captain - Ben Mowen - in reserve grade when he came back from the Waratahs squad when he first moved to Sydney. Maybe it was talent identification like that, that has put them in their current state of success (or lake thereof).

The Ella's have moved on from their playing days and maybe everyone else at the Randwick club should do likewise.

Is Bob Dwyer still the A Grade coach at Randwick??

Has John Maxwell retired yet??

I don't think there will be room for two stand alone clubs in Sydney and if there is one it would have to be Sydney Uni.

 

[RugbyFuture]

It Doesn't really matter, it looks like their jv side with unsw and easts will get in. We'll see what entity actually bids.

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[RugbyFuture]

also Bob Dwyer is the head of the board for the club these days isn't it? with simon podeivan as president.

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[MACCA]

Brand Randwick poaching Brand O'Connor - very good.

I don't think JOC (James O'Connor) has ever played a club rugby game in Brisbane or Sydney to my knowledge.

But seriously "Randwick" a brand with world wide exposure please!! They are not Manchester United FGS!!

I hazard a guess that only 1 in 10 (@ best) sports followers in QLD would know what Randwick play and I doubt you could find many Qld Rugby fans who could rattle off a couple of Randwick players names. No disrespect to Randwick or the Shute Shield but quite simply no one in Brisbane gets to see the Brisbane Club rugby (Qld Premier Rugby) on TV let alone the Shute Shield anymore.

Randwick lost me when they played the current Wallaby Captain - Ben Mowen - in reserve grade when he came back from the Waratahs squad when he first moved to Sydney. Maybe it was talent identification like that, that has put them in their current state of success (or lake thereof).

The Ella's have moved on from their playing days and maybe everyone else at the Randwick club should do likewise.

Is Bob Dwyer still the A Grade coach at Randwick??

Has John Maxwell retired yet??

I don't think there will be room for two stand alone clubs in Sydney and if there is one it would have to be Sydney Uni.

Apart from the last paragraph, I think your passage is a load of Bollocks TT.
JOC (James O'Connor) played for West Harbour.
Last I heard the Wicks were seeking a JV bid with 2 other groups NOT a stand alone bid.
Talk of the Dwyer Maxwells etc running things is just out of touch and wrong.The management & coaching structure at the Wicks is the equal or better than most in the Comp (except the mighty Uni machine). Look up Nick Ryan, Wade Kelly, John Muggleton, Jason Brewer etc etc - that might be a good start.
Who asserted Randwick thinks it is Man U??????
Have you retired yet????

 

[sidelinesid]

As I hear it there are no stand alone clubs only JVs .
The ARU will decide who puts up the best package (or who has the best spin)
Some aspirants may believe their advertising but hopefully the ARU will see through it all.
Yup pigs do fly

 

[Dave Beat]

As I hear it there are no stand alone clubs only JVs .
The ARU will decide who puts up the best package (or who has the best spin)
Some aspirants may believe their advertising but hopefully the ARU will see through it all.
Yup pigs do fly

But that could simply be a play with words, Uni and Balmain maybe classified as a JV but seriously I don't think any sub district players will be running out on game day.

Just the same as I don't see Wicks and UNSW as a JV, gee I hope it is Wicks, Easts, and UNSW (plus southern).

It's the Woodies that I'm not sure about, strong in all grades and silent.

IMO - It would be good to see Wests, Parra, and Penrith partner up with Southern, or the Woodies as it would add more depth.

 

[Done that]

But that could simply be a play with words, Uni and Balmain maybe classified as a JV but seriously I don't think any sub district players will be running out on game day.

Just the same as I don't see Wicks and UNSW as a JV, gee I hope it is Wicks, Easts, and UNSW (plus southern).

It's the Woodies that I'm not sure about, strong in all grades and silent.

IMO - It would be good to see Wests, Parra, and Penrith partner up with Southern, or the Woodies as it would add more depth.

As already mentioned previously ,Parra,Penrith,Eastwood ,Wests & Southern Districts have applied to play together as a JV.
Also, James O'Connor has played for West Harbour,as stated by Macca above, & I understand is still contracted to them.

 

[sidelinesid]

Heard that Easts and Southern pulled out of JVs with wicks
Not sure of any reason, that's for themselves.
Heard that coaches would be allocated from tahs or ARU
If true , that would possibly mean that players would be chosen from other than just the JVs club. This would broaden the horizon for potential players not chosen by their club coach as being good enough.
Everyone would be surprised if wicks with their current crop could do well in the NRC so outside players would be a must if they win a spot.

 

[Eyes and Ears]

Beale and Kepu were already contracted to the Tahs before they went to Randwick. Carraro came from the Vikings / Brumbies to the Tahs and then the Wicks. So really only Horwitz could have been in the category of being directed to the Wicks if he wanted to play at the Tahs, so I agree with you Braveheart, playing for the Wicks hasn't resulted in too many Tah's contracts so far.

Carraro came from Sydney Uni, didn't he?

 

[Dave Beat]

Carraro came from Sydney Uni, didn't he?

Up Newcastle way, from the central coast comp ( I think)