Reds vs Cheetahs, Rnd 4.

[djeff]

Super Rugby coverage in Australia sucks! Click on "Rugby" on ABC Grandstand and you get NRL with the bloody Broncos. Fox sports only gives score updates, no live feed.welcome to 1964...poor man's footy code!!

Reds send regular emails which have no link to "match program", or "Captains Preview", or anything else of note!.. still awaiting our match tickets!

Fuck, it, I'm going to sign as a Titans member, at least they value their supporters, and try to meet their needs!!

ABC did have it on the radio, but it was really hard to find. Not on their ap, not o eir radio webpage. I googled reds live streaming and found a link to the ABC radio live stream.

 

[biggsy]

What a poor performance of rugby by the reds,
I can see the them Finishing last in Aus Conference, as the Force always seem to get over the Reds.

 

[djeff]

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Well on that performance I don't want to see Ben Daley on the team sheet again. We got dished up on every cheetahs scrum feed he packed in.

Good player around the field and part of the 2011 team but not up to it at the moment. Gift 3 points at any scrum in our own half. Anae and Owen's for mine, they stood up against the lions scrum very well.

I think the scrum is more important now than it was in 2011. Then you get away with a hard engage and quick feed to the locks and get the ball out before your scrum was dominated. Now you have to work for it.

 

[RedsHappy]

We have found a 13.

CFS' skills in the last 10-15 metres near the line are exceptional and getting better; those when he's called to initiate and act fast and then his first 10 metres, I think somewhat less so. To this point in his development, anyway.

 

[barbarian]

One of the worst reffing performances I have seen. Felt sorry for the ref in the end (whoever he was), as he was clearly out of his depth. Positioning was woeful, botched numerous big calls. No side came out better off, luckily, but I can't see him given another game anytime soon.
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[redveincheese]

The Reds defense was appalling, their attack disorganized and impotent apart from the first try, their kicking and passing atrocious.

The cheetahs were worse.

 

[RedsHappy]

The fundamental point again so plainly revealed via this game is that there's very little in the Reds - team wise and individually - that is genuinely improving on anything they built so admirably by July 2011. And there's much that's regressing, Genia and the forwards in general are prime examples, plus complacency in not importing the type of players essential to, broadly, compensate for the major losses of Ioane, Higgers, and Samo and further strengthen our core weakness at 15, 12, and 13.

Meanwhile, the less complacent others are making huge strides in key aspects of team skill and playing mode, and are figuring out what competitive excellence means in a 2014 context.

 

[redveincheese]

We may be able to beat the hurricanes

 

[RedsHappy]

....and I await the howls from my friends in the Red Mist Brigade, but, on the evidence to date this year, the Reds are definitively not looking like a well-coached, well-trained team with excellent composure and skill development of the kind essential to win an S15 title.

Instead, they are looking anxious and fragmented, the consequence of which is piling massive pressure on QC (Quade Cooper) to 'just keep working wonders' and regularly clean up others' messes in open play.

I've never seen - close up - QC (Quade Cooper) look so stressed and tired as he looked in the last 20 mins of this game. It's clear why - he's having to almost carry the whole team in attack.

 

[redstragic]

Lot of negativity here. I was there and from my vantage point both teams were trying to play expansive and trying to spoil each other. It was ugly at times but that seemed to be how these teams styles interacted.

Good win, I'll take the 5 tries.

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[cyclopath]

Lot of negativity here. I was there and from my vantage point both teams were trying to play expansive and trying to spoil each other. It was ugly at times but that seemed to be how these teams styles interacted.

Good win, I'll take the 5 tries.

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At the pub, watching with some other non-invested rugby fans, we said the same. You take the 5 points and bank them, but it would be short-sighted to overlook the defensive issues at the same time.
Ultimately, winning and getting a BP when everything is not right beats the hell out of losing. As a Tahs fan, God how I know that. I doubt Richard Graham will be completely happy behind the scenes, though.

 

[redveincheese]

The fundamental point again so plainly revealed via this game is that there's very little in the Reds - team wise and individually - that is genuinely improving on anything they built so admirably by July 2011. And there's much that's regressing, Genia and the forwards in general are prime examples, plus complacency in not importing the type of players essential to, broadly, compensate for the major losses of Ioane, Higgers, and Samo and further strengthen our core weakness at 15, 12, and 13.

Meanwhile, the less complacent others are making huge strides in key aspects of team skill and playing mode, and are figuring out what competitive excellence means in a 2014 context.

There is something amiss with the whole approach since 2011. Its been mentioned before on this forum and I am now a convert to that what way of thinking. We had such a huge success and it seems we have been unable to handle it. The organization and team have not been able to move on and capitalize on that effort. I think back to gushing articles from the media after 2011 prophesying a Reds dynasty. It seems we have to fall back to mediocrity before we have a chance to resurrect again.

I am probably being way to cynical and harsh, but my fear of returning to to the bottom of the pile in a slow and painful demise and enduring the reality of 2000 onwards again is disappointing to say the least to contemplate.

Cmon reds, don't let us or yourselves down. If theirs something that isn't working, change it.

 

[biggsy]

The Reds defense was appalling,

Who is the Reds defensive coach?

 

[RedsHappy]

At the pub, watching with some other non-invested rugby fans, we said the same. You take the 5 points and bank them, but it would be short-sighted to overlook the defensive issues at the same time.
Ultimately, winning and getting a BP when everything is not right beats the hell out of losing. As a Tahs fan, God how I know that. I doubt Richard Graham will be completely happy behind the scenes, though.

What must be said is that the crowd around me generally loved the spectacle of all the tries and end-to-end play. Affirmed some elements of why there was 28,000 people there, which is and remains a huge positive for the QRU.

But that number is rooted in 2010-11's legacy; if we commence a road to mediocrity and continuous undelivered promises, we'll surely see crowd declines, and serious ones.

 

[cyclopath]

What must be said is that the crowd around me generally loved the spectacle of all the tries and end-to-end play. Affirmed some elements of why there was 28,000 people there, which is and remains a huge positive for the QRU.

But that number is rooted in 2010-11's legacy; if we commence a road to mediocrity and continuous undelivered promises, we'll surely see crowd declines, and serious ones.

True, the end-to-end play was a good spectacle, as I said, but the Reds with Taylor pulling the defensive strings would have strangled the Cheetahs better, who shouldn't have been within 20 points.
Ultimately, I can only look on with envy at the crowd, and 5 points are 5 points, but the rusted on Reds fans should be asking questions. Again, Genia made some pretty poor option choices too, and his default to kicking (reasonably poorly) at times was mystifying.

 

[maxdacat]

2 out of 2 for Oz teams so far....here's hoping for 3/3.

 

[Scoey]

Not sure what all the doom and gloom is about to be honest. We are 2 from 3 and have a BP already. Before the season started many said there was a fair chance we'd be none from 5.
You're a sad old lot sometimes!


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[redstragic]

Not sure what all the doom and gloom is about to be honest. We are 2 from 3 and have a BP already. Before the season started many said there was a fair chance we'd be none from 5.
You're a sad old lot sometimes!


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Do we dare dream about bringing some points home from SA? I say yes. The last 2 years have been pretty lean.

 

[ChargerWA]

What a poor performance of rugby by the reds,
I can see the them Finishing last in Aus Conference, as the Force always seem to get over the Reds.

Time to put the rum down biggsy.

Was really impressed with CFS. He reminds of JOC (James O'Connor) in that he is very strong near the line and has the instinct. Simmons was very good too. I'm not a big fan of his but he grew a third leg in the second half and was dominant in contact.

I don't have a problem with Quade throwing those long balls and the flat ones too. It's good positive rugby and if he makes a few mistakes doing it I can live with it.

The only real negatives for me were too many quick taps and Daley and Holmes offer nothing compared to Slipper around the park. But they were hard done by in the scrums. The Cheetahs seemed to be driving up every scrum but some how the Reds were getting penalised.

 

[Scoey]

Do we dare dream about bringing some points home from SA? I say yes. The last 2 years have been pretty lean.

1 from 2 on the Sth African tour is always a good result. I think 5 or 6 points is achievable and 8 or 9 not beyond us either.


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