Rugby League really gives me the shits

[The_Brown_Hornet]

1st line, yes, that appears to be it.

2nd part bold. I know a scrum half who will have to cancel her annual nudie run then. I'll give her the devastating news.

All I'm saying is that what you do in public is likely to be watched and sometimes captured by someone else. If you're OK with that (and your friend probably is) then no issue. If you're likely to be embarrassed by it later then maybe give it a second thought.

I don't want to come across as a prude, BTW. I'm a pretty broad minded bloke and think that this case in isolation is probably at the low end of the scale, but it's the pattern of behaviour that cooked Carney's goose. Just like JOC (James O'Connor) when he got the flick. You can only be given so many chances.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Good advice IIWII, but a further word of caution may be needed if your mum is @Angry Seahorse's scrum half mate.

 

[ChargerWA]

Let's say a photo went around social media of a director of one of the major banks doing a Carney. How long would he last? The role model argument is tricky, but the fact he is an ambassador for his sport and employer is a lot clearer.


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The Director should be sacked. He is employed to be intelligent and have good judgement. If he does that sort of thing, what's he doing at work with everyone's money/jobs at risk.

Todd Carney on the other hand is payed to carry a ball and run at full pace at another man who is going to try and smash him to the ground. Pretty moronic when you think about it.

Pissing in his own mouth is probably one of the smarter things he's done.

 

[mark_s]

Firstly I'm a tahs fan but secondly I'm a sharks fan. I live within walking distance of northies and shark park and am a member of sharkies. This situation is just terrible. Carney had to be sacked but what a waste. What stupidity from carney given he was on his last chance. What a wanker of a mate for taking and sending the photo to anyone. Mates stop their friends from being dickheads, rather than take photos of it.

Most all of, what a disaster the last two years have been for the sharks. Every time you think it can't get any worse, it does. And asada will turn up soon with their findings. It will take the sharks atleast 5 years to recover from all this shit, if ever. It shows the importance of strong leadership, both on and off field, in sporting clubs. Thank Christ for the tahs this year.

 

[mxyzptlk]

And don't tell me Bear does it in a "survival situation" those episodes are as choreographed as the Ballet (& yes I know they can't be real survival situations for safety reasons but point is he doesn't need to drink his pee).

Maybe Carney was demonstrating an NRL post-game survival situation.

 

[mxyzptlk]

I mean it's low brow, but urines sterile. It's not like he he Cleveland Steamered the league commissioner.

Not as sterile as you'd think.

io9: No, Your Urine Is Not Sterile

 

[mxyzptlk]

What's more amazing than the Carney incident itself is the reaction in and around rugby league circles.
We've had current and former players, his manager and commentators trying to defend it by explaining it away as a joke or prank gone wrong.
Some have seriously tried to lay the blame on the person who took the photo and put it onto social media. Others have vented on the Cronulla club for sacking him.
Where is someone from the game (with balls) to stand up and call it for the unacceptable and disgraceful act it is?
Meanwhile Todd, look up "personal responsibility", "accountability", "consequences", "respect" and "decency" in a dictionary.

There's a parallel there to the 'melee' stuff that's bubbled up since the last Origin game. The coMMMentariat and plenty of the public calling in to that coMMMentariat complain about how ridiculous the melee looks, and blame it on the fact that they can't punch anyone anymore. If only the big guys could punch out the little guys, the little guys wouldn't bother to run in and start pushing.

Except they do that when someone gets hit or hurt anyway. So the punch doesn't matter. They just want the biff back.

But beyond that, there doesn't seem to be an awareness that maybe these guys could just control themselves a little better. If they're only a rule away from losing all control and starting a brawl, maybe they're in the wrong sport. There's always boxing or mma or kickboxing; maybe SBW and Paul Gallen could explain what it's like to get hit by a real professional puncher..

EDIT: I'm not saying SBW or Gallen are great punchers. Just that since they've fought some pro fights, they've probably been slugged harder in training than by anyone on a rugby pitch.

 

[Train Without a Station]

ChargerWA, if Cronulla felt pressure from sponsors or potential sponsors over it, then he needed to be sacked. It's part of his contract to represent the club well. Whilst he did nothing illegal, this reflects poorly on the club.

Don't paint him out to be the victim here. The club is the victim in this case. They have had to terminate the contract of a talented footballer mid season to their detriment, because he is publicly representing them poorly. For all the poor dealings and actings or football clubs, this is one that's hit them. They didn't want to get rid of Carney, his public actions have left them no choice due to the potential negative views sponsors have taken on it.

It's that simple. Clubs need sponsors to survive and players need to maintain a level of behaviour that doesn't cost the club sponsors. To say otherwise would be bringing down the entire game.

 

[mxyzptlk]

If you walked into a pub toilet and some hobo was doing what Carney was doing, you would piss yourself laughing, tell all of your mates at the bar what you had just seen and move on with your life. Why is it any different for Carney? Besides footballing talent, they really are just ordinary people.

Because the hobo isn't a public figure and professional athletes are? That seems to be a big difference right there.

Plus if a cop took a picture of himself pissing into his own mouth and then made it public -- or if someone did that for him -- he'd probably be seeing some time off. If it was his third offence, he might be seeing a lot of time off.

I'm in the States and when public figures end up getting their supposedly private images made public, it damages or ends their public careers (see Carlos Danger). It doesn't seem to be all that different in this case -- the NRL and the Sharks see Carney as a public face of their brand, and by pissing in his own face, he's pissing in theirs.

 

[mxyzptlk]

I get your point, but that's why Noyce gets paid what he does. To do the tough jobs.

Sounds like his tough job now is to remove the dickhead who can't seem to follow the instruction not to bring his team, the NRL or their sponsors into disrepute.

Not a hard calculus to follow, but too hard for Carney.

But if you're cool with that, you ought to put Carney's photo in your signature here. C'mon, lighten up, life's short! Do it! It's a laugh, right? We'll all link you with the disgusting act of drinking your own piss, but so what? Lighten up and make your personal advertising be a drunk drinking his own piss already. If people are stupid enough to make the causal link between the picture of the drunk drinking a fountain of his own urine and you, that's our problem, not yours.

C'mon, do it!

 

[mxyzptlk]

I just consulted with the resident Police Officer, and she concurs with you.

But I wouldn't, and nor would 95% of professions.

What are these other 95% of professions that allow their employees to commit public displays of obscene behavior without consequence? I gotta get me one of those jobs.

Is what he did truly that damaging?

Given the fallout, it seems the people who pay his salary have determined it was.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

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I'm in the States and when public figures end up getting their supposedly private images made public, it damages or ends their public careers (see Carlos Danger). It doesn't seem to be all that different in this case -- the NRL and the Sharks see Carney as a public face of their brand, and by pissing in his own face, he's pissing in theirs.

Doesn't seem to hurt some careers/brands in the USA. Bill Clinton, Paris Hilton, One of the Kardashians, Pamela Anderson.

 

[mxyzptlk]

but it's been pushed under the carpet, just like his recent indiscretions at Cronulla before bubblergate didn't go public.

Non-related question -- do you actually call water fountains bubblers in Australia? That's a really specific term that comes from one specific state in the U.S. (where one water fountain company branded a water fountain a bubbler, but it didn't last and the moved to a different design/brand). I grew up in that state (Wisconsin), and we're one of the only regions in North America to call it a bubbler (the original bubbler-branded water fountain is in our state capitol building).

Do you really call it a bubbler down under?

 

[Scoey]

Do you really call it a bubbler down under?

Yep. They're called bubblers here. At least the bit of here that I come from call them that anyway.



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[mxyzptlk]

Doesn't seem to hurt some careers/brands in the USA. Bill Clinton, Paris Hilton, One of the Kardashians, Pamela Anderson.

Go look at those careers again and re-assess your assessment. Clinton had one of the most fucked-up terms a president has had in the last century. The congressional witch hunt to get him impeached for his blowjob arguably led to his powerlessness to get a number of other issues on his agenda acted upon, like health care, or being able to deal with the rise of the terrorist elements in the Middle East. Every move to address the rise of Al Qaeda and instability in Iraq was met with Congress calling them distraction tactics to deflect attention from the real issue of his dick. So pressing issues on both the domestic and international fronts went unaddressed or inadequately dealt with. (Former CIA case office Robert Baer has written about that period and Washington's general distraction in his book See No Evil. One of the last things Clinton told the incoming Bush administration was a warning about Al Qaeda, but that was ignored -- because of Clinton's dick.)

Nobody likes the Kardashians or Paris Hilton except the E! channel, where they're a punchline, and Pamela Anderson is a basket case that no one except Florida barbie dolls want to emulate.

The point stands.

 

[mxyzptlk]

Yep. They're called bubblers here. At least the bit of here that I come from call them that anyway.

What bit is that?

 

[Pfitzy]

Same as when I grew up in NW NSW - bubbler is the term

 

[Hugh Jarse]

@Mxyzptlk, the "bit" where @scoey comes from refers to a suitcase as a "porte". Think of them as the Aust equivalent to Arkansas and you won't be too far wrong.

That being said, in NSW they are also called bubblers, but then we do have 27 letters in our alphabet - the mysterious letter "Haitch".

 

[Scoey]

What bit is that?

Sorry, I should've elaborated. Queensland. Which is why I added on my caveat as were oft accused of being a little different up here and it would surprise me if we were the only ones.


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[Scoey]

@Mxyzptlk, the "bit" where @scoey comes from refers to a suitcase as a "porte". Think of them as the Aust equivalent to Arkansas and you won't be too far wrong.

I didn't know we spelled Porte so la di da!
We also don't refer to the clothes you wear swimming as something as random as 'swimmers' or 'bathing suits', up here they're called Togs. Obvious init?


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