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Peter Fenwicke (45)
Apparently not. Now they've posted it on their Fox Sports Rugby Facebook page.
Time to start hoping citing bloke decides nothing in it.
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Time to start hoping citing bloke decides nothing in it.
You'd think wallabies fans wouldn't blab about it continuously all over one of the biggest rugby forums in the world. Or make a video of it.
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Vay Wilson (31)
There's at least one guy who's decided his life calling is to try to get Pocock cited. Pretty much every comments section of every online rugby article I've read has him posting links to the 'incident'. Maybe he's an unemployed coal worker.
I'm betting that if Pocock's injury turns out to be sufficient to keep him out of the rest of the world cup the guy will drop his campaign pretty quickly.
I'm betting that if Pocock's injury turns out to be sufficient to keep him out of the rest of the world cup the guy will drop his campaign pretty quickly.
That's a bit like the sad spectacle of the parent, friend or relative anonymously and endlessly trolling the Schoolboy threads, repetitively hyping up the achievements of their son, brother, nephew, schoolmate or acquaintance in the desperate hope that a selector will pick them for the the Representative team, albeit Club District or Zone, School Association, State or National team based on the number of positive references to said child that have been made in the Green and Gold Schoolboy Rugby forums.
While G&GR has the ability to get Joe Scrumming Straight, even that was a fair bit more than one person saturating one media channel.
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Herbert Moran (7)
I'm more worried about Pocock's calf than a trolls determination to highlight a miniscule incident.
Its hard to ponder why you would want to press such a negative point when you pin the Wallaby logo to your name.
Go Wallabies....I even saw a smattering of proudly worn gold jerseys and polo's out on Sunday around my local haunts.
Here's hoping the fun continues!
Its hard to ponder why you would want to press such a negative point when you pin the Wallaby logo to your name.
Go Wallabies....I even saw a smattering of proudly worn gold jerseys and polo's out on Sunday around my local haunts.
Here's hoping the fun continues!
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Mark Ella (57)
The Pocock "incident" would be nothing to talk about if the citing and judicial process wasn't such a lottery. We have discussed the issue from time to time and whilst some progress has been made, coming from a very low base, it is still random and arbitrary, for instance Hooper gets the 1 week suspension for charging into the ruck, and rightly so from the reading of the law, but on actual severity and risk it is harsh, but then Burgess in the same game gets a off field warning for actual forceful contact with the head/neck. The gross inconsistency and random nature of the judicial process leads to contempt for the system itself, indeed posters have long referred to the lottery but now even main stream commentators, both print and electronic also refer to it in this way. Just as in civilian life I hold the judicial process as a pillar of the game/society it is an essential part of Rugby and has to be reformed to achieve consistency and predictability (essential for understanding, transparency and hence respect). To do this I would be looking at a schedule of offences and prescribed punishments. Get the &^%^&!! lawyers out of the process, in both spheres they do nothing for its probity.
Let the troll, do his thing, discussion of the subject in the public sphere (properly moderated) is better in the long run, reasoned argument with facts tendered and supported by substance will prevail,
Let the troll, do his thing, discussion of the subject in the public sphere (properly moderated) is better in the long run, reasoned argument with facts tendered and supported by substance will prevail,
Strewthcobber
Mark Ella (57)
World Rugby Regulation 17, Appendix 1 sanctions is the document you are looking for.
The problem is the threshold (red card) is not interpreted consistently, especially between referees and the judiciary. The mitigating factors reductions make the process a farce (Hooper got a discount for good behaviour 2 months after getting suspended) and world Rugby multiplied all of this in the world cup by having 11 different citing commissioners and 10 different judicial officers with their own opinions
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Here is the guidance from Regulation 17. As @Strewthcobber says the guidance is fairly clear cut. What is not clear cut is the interpretation of this guidance, compounded by the inconsistent and sometimes baffling application of mitigating and deterrent factors.
Here is the guidance from Regulation 17. As @Strewthcobber says the guidance is fairly clear cut. What is not clear cut is the interpretation of this guidance, compounded by the inconsistent and sometimes baffling application of mitigating and deterrent factors.
Part of the problem is trying to reconcile between incidents being dealt with during a game and ones that are missed and cited afterwards.
There should be no difference as an incident should either be worthy of citing and potentially requiring a suspension or it shouldn't be.
If it is missed during the game it shouldn't mean it is dealt with more harshly afterwards to try and make up for it. That is like playing catch up football.
There should be no difference as an incident should either be worthy of citing and potentially requiring a suspension or it shouldn't be.
If it is missed during the game it shouldn't mean it is dealt with more harshly afterwards to try and make up for it. That is like playing catch up football.
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Sydney Middleton (9)
no prizes for guessing why the NZ'ers are plugging it
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Tom Lawton (22)
Good doing business with you!
Benaud
Tom Lawton (22)
That was Galumay and I.
It's been reported that he wasn't cited. I'm surprised how much attention it got though. Not sure how much you had to do with that!
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Steve Williams (59)
It's hard for me to believe with the way they have been lately citing and banning people. I'm really releaved as I know how important pocock is to the campaign. I wouldn't count all our chickens yet though.
I've been genuinely worried about some of our players doing stupid things and I'm worried about someone getting a serious ban soon. Hooper is probably the main reason for this. He had been very close on a couple of occasions to getting a decent holiday.
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I've been genuinely worried about some of our players doing stupid things and I'm worried about someone getting a serious ban soon. Hooper is probably the main reason for this. He had been very close on a couple of occasions to getting a decent holiday.
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Joe Blow
Peter Sullivan (51)
Maybe we should just let the the powers that be worry about borderline calls for a citing eh? The first I heard of the incicident was here..... over and over and over. Then 24 hrs later it appears on FS and some NZ media.
Best just to let it be. Once it breaks on social media the citing commissioner will no doubt have a look.
Best just to let it be. Once it breaks on social media the citing commissioner will no doubt have a look.
ChargerWA
Mark Loane (55)
People are always searching for true instances of irony, Shiggins liking this post did it for me.
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