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Bledisloe # 3 - Saturday 31st October, ANZ Stadium

Discussion in 'Rugby Matches' started by KOB1987, Oct 19, 2020.

  1. Slim 293 George Gregan (70)

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    If by frequently you mean 4 times in total in Super Rugby Au (2 of those in round 1), and 2 overall in Super Rugby...
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  2. Joe Blow Ken Catchpole (46)

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    Naisarani gets targeted less I would think. How does he fit in?
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  3. Brumby Runner John Eales (66)

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    Well, arguably the changes from the Wellington test caused or contributed to the poorer performance at Eden Park. So, I reckon you know a good bit.
  4. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    The same backline that forgot how to tackle?
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  5. rodha Sydney Middleton (9)

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    It seemed to me that the Wallabies forwards options were slightly better during Cheika's tenure compared to Deans.

    Alaalatoa, Tupou, Sio, Fardy, Arnold, Skelton, Rodda, Coleman, Fainga'a, Kepu, Latu, Uelese, come to mind, (but particularly the front-row options) were arguably better than was available to Deans.

    While the superior front-row talent certainly helped, I do think that Cheika & Ledisma did a great job with Wallabies forwards during their time. Especially in 2015, which was the first year Ledisma came on board. The Wallabies results got worse after Ledisma left the Wallabies set-up in Oct 2017. They got humiliated on the EOYT, and then had that disastrous year in 2018.

    TIL Ledisma's last test with the Wallabies was the 23-18 win against the All Blacks in Brisbane.
  6. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    I reckon Deans had better hookers (Moore and TPN far more at their prime). Better locks (Sharpe, Vickerman, Horwill).

    Cheika definitely had better props (Slipper and Kepu at the peak of their careers plus the emergence of AAA, Sio, Tupou).

    Backrows are probably reasonably equal. If anything Deans had better options because he had better number 8s for more time than Cheika did.
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  7. PhilClinton Alex Ross (28)

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    The difference between Moore in his prime to every other hooker since him has been one of the most noticeable disadvantages of the Wallabies and still is.
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  8. TSR John Thornett (49)

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    I’ll concede the statement about the ability & depth of the players Rennie has to choose from is probably premature, but I don’t think Deans consistently had far better players.

    For starters, saying that he had better players, other than the props, doesn’t work because other teams ruthlessly exploited our scrum weaknesses. Plus a of various times Deans had problems in the locks, backrow, halves, centres and outside backs. Not all at the same time, but he rarely had a strong, performing 1 - 15. He had to deal with patchy form from key players and general lack of ability to execute under pressure. If you wrote down the best 23 Deans had available then sure, they were better. I’d be surprised if they took the field regularly though.
  9. Pfitzy Tim Horan (67)

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    And kicked rather poorly at EP compared to Welly.

    Errors like that shitty midfield kick to Clarke or Tupou's brain fart checkside are often forgotten because they're not recorded like Missed Tackles.
  10. TSR John Thornett (49)

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    Yeah - I dunno. Both attracted condemnation pretty much across the board this week (and deservedly so).

    I don’t think anyone has forgotten them or is forgetting them anytime soon unless the respective players have a blinder.
  11. KOB1987 Steve Williams (59)

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    Sounds like JOC is still at 10. So the mystery is who is at 12.
  12. Joe Blow Ken Catchpole (46)

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    Has to be Simone with Lolesio on the pine
  13. PhilClinton Alex Ross (28)

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    It'll either be Simone or Paisami at 12 you would think as no one else called into the side to cover.

    I think JOC plays best with a secondary playmaker so I'm hoping for Simone.
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  14. Derpus David Codey (61)

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    Im keen to see what Simone can do. I thought he was the form 12 in the comp. I also hope Samu is recalled.
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  15. Derpus David Codey (61)

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    Saw an add for 30 dollar tickets. Thunderstorms all Sat - could be a slim crowd.

    Edit: and it's Halloween - didnt thinkof that.
  16. PhilClinton Alex Ross (28)

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    Usually I would say the rain playing into All Blacks favor - but our better performance this year was in the wet. Bring it on.
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  17. rodha Sydney Middleton (9)

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    Just confirms what I already posted previously on here re: Cheika mismanaging O'Conner last year.
  18. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    Him wanting to play 10 means the coach made a mistake by not playing him at 10?

    I'm assuming Leali'ifano and Foley also wanted to play 10.
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  19. RugbyReg George Smith (75)

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    I would have liked to play 10
  20. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    Damn you Michael Cheika for mismanaging RugbyReg!

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