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John Eales Medal

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Groucho

Groucho

Greg Davis (50)
Scotty said:
Either we are all idiots, or they are all idiots!

Maybe some players just give points to the goal kicker!
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It's an interesting question.

I've always been a Palu fan, and one argument I always use with Cliffy sceptics is how well he always does in player polls. Generally, you'd have to argue that the men on the field know a lot more than we do about what goes on out there. Firstly, they are there, right at the action. They see and feel the violence of the contact and the trajectory of the ball. Secondly, they are professionals and we are mostly only fans. For one of us to say we know more than a single player is notably confident; to say that we know more than all the players is the first sign of madness. Finally, they see a lot more video analysis than we do, so it can't just be a matter of them being too close to know what really goes on.

That works with Cliffy. The sheer violence of his hits is only occasionally visible from the stands or on TV. Palu hits exceptionally hard in attack and defence with no run up and the players see it.

But how does that work with Giteau? What are the players seeing that we're not? It's not like he gets the occasional high mark: these Eales Medal scores means he's getting consistently high marks from his peers across multiple games when we've been calling him the worst player on the field.

We should, collectively, ask the players. Maybe one of the G&GR guys should put precisely this question to a few Wallabies.
 
RugbyReg

RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
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#1 Tah said:
King George?
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To be eligible for inclusion in the Wallaby Hall of Fame, a player must have:

Played at least one Test for Australia
Been retired from Rugby for at least 10 years
Made a major contribution to the game of Rugby
Demonstrated outstanding ability, sportsmanship, commitment, character and personal contribution to their team and the game in their era.
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So retired at least in 2000.

So you've got Timmy Horan.

I'd be looking at the likes of Michael Lynagh, Andrew Slack (or was he recently announced?) and Simon Poidevin,
 
Hugh Jarse

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
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The Wallaby Hall of Fame currently includes the following:
David Campese
Ken Catchpole
Des Connor
Sir Edward 'Weary' Dunlop
Mark Ella
Nick Farr-Jones
John Hipwell OAM
Tom Lawton Snr
Mark Loane
Tom Richards
Sir Nicholas Shehadie AC OBE
John Thornett
Cyril Towers
Col Windon

Not to be confused with IRB Hall of Fame, the International Rugby Hall of Fame (IRHOF) was created in 1997 in New Zealand and is run as a charitable trust with an address at Chiswick in London. Most of the trustees are also inductees. IRHOF accepts new inductees every two years. Most inductees are former players, but others who have contributed to the game are eligible.
The International Rugby Hall of Fame includes the following Wallabies;
David Campese
Ken Catchpole
John Eales
Mark Ella
Nick Farr-Jones
Tim Horan
Michael Lynagh

The IRB Hall of Fame includes:
John Eales
(David Campese and Mark Ella were an unsuccessful nominees in 2008, Ken Catchpole was an unsuccessful nominee in 2007)

The World Rugby Museum Wall of Fame (or Twickenham Wall of Fame), not to be confused with other Hall of Fames, was opened at the World Rugby Museum on 3rd June 2005 as a celebration of the best players from all over the world that have played at Twickenham Stadium. Wallabies in this Hall of Fame include:
David Campese
Ken Catchpole
Mark Ella
Nick Farr-Jones
Michael Lynagh
Cyril Towers
Col Windon

On the basis of recognition elsewhere, Michael Lynagh has to be odds on inductee. Tim Horan retired in 2000, not sure if this means has has "Been retired from Rugby for at least 10 years". I'd add Simon Poidevin to the list of potentials.
 
Hugh Jarse

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
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Scarfman said:
Campo an iRB hall of fame reject?

101 tests? 64 tries? Fucken idiots.

I just checked it out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRB_Hall_of_Fame

What a strange list. 1 All Black. It's true that the 2009 lot were commemorating RSA v Lions, but still. How could Campo EVER be rejected from a list like that EVER?
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The IRB Hall of Fame seems very eurocentric, and PC!

I have also noted that the Wallaby Hall Of Fame on the ARU website is out of date with other articles on the ARU website. It also includes the following:

Alec Ross
Tony Miller
Jon White

Also Andrew Slack was announced as the 18th inductee on July 21 2010. http://rugby.com.au/news/wallabies_2010/andrew_slack_joins_wallaby_hall_of_fame,140726.html

The ARU article suggested "The other two players to be included in the Hall of Fame this season will be announced in coming weeks."

Each year three past players – one from the pre-World War II era and two from the post-World War II period – are inducted into the Wallaby Hall of Fame.
The 2010 Hall of Fame committee consisted of the following: ARU President Ron Graham as chairman, ARU Managing Director and CEO John O’Neill, ARU past presidents Paul McLean and Peter Crittle, Qantas Wallabies captain Rocky Elsom, former Wallabies and historians Max Howell and John Freedman, and Classic Wallabies co-presidents Simon Poidevin and Jeff Miller.

FULL LIST OF WALLABY HALL OF FAME MEMBERS

Tom Richards (Test debut 1908 )
Tom Lawton (Test debut 1920)
Dr Alec Ross (Test debut 1925)
Cyril Towers (Test debut 1926)
Sir Edward “Weary” Dunlop (Test debut 1932)
Col Windon (Test debut 1946)
Sir Nicholas Shehadie (Test debut 1947)
Tony Miller (Test debut 1952)
John Thornett (Test debut 1955)
Des Connor (Test debut 1958 )
Jon White (Test debut 1958 )
Ken Catchpole (Test debut 1961)
John Hipwell (Test debut 1968 )
Mark Loane (Test debut 1973)
Andrew Slack (debut 1978 )
Mark Ella (Test debut 1980)
David Campese (Test debut 1982)
Nick Farr-Jones (Test debut 1984)

It has been said by others on The Roar that "There are still many huge names missing – Dally Messenger & Chris McKivat (both 1907 & maybe both politically sensitive), Johnnie Wallace (1921), Wild Bill Cerutti (1928 ), Jack Ford (1926), Graham Cooke (1932), Trevor Allan (1946), Cyril Burke (1946), Rob Heming (1961), Peter Johnson (1959), Greg Davis (1963), Simon Poidevin (1980), Michael Lynagh (1984), Ewen McKenzie (1990), Phil Kearns (1989)." SHEEK http://www.theroar.com.au/2010/07/20/slack-a-deserved-choice-for-the-hall-of-fame/
 
Hugh Jarse

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
Staff member
Sport Australia Hall Of Fame - Inductees from Rugby

ATHLETE MEMBERS
Alec Ross
Arthur 'Johnnie' Wallace
Cyril Towers
David Campese AM
Dick Thornett
George Gregan OAM
Harold Hardwick
John Thornett MBE
John Eales AM
Ken Catchpole OAM
Mark Ella AM
Michael Cleary AO
Michael Lynagh AM
Nicholas Shehadie OBE
Nick Farr-Jones AM
Peter Johnson
Reginald 'Snowy' Baker
Simon Poidevin OAM
Tim Horan AM
Trevor Allan OAM

GENERAL MEMBERS
Alan Jones AO
Robert 'Bob' Dwyer OAM
Rod Macqueen AM
William 'Bill' Hill

http://www.sahof.org.au/search/resu...ing=&searchArea=hallOfFame&sport=union&page=1
http://www.sahof.org.au/search/resu...ing=&searchArea=hallOfFame&sport=union&page=2
 
MrTimms

MrTimms

Ken Catchpole (46)
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Voting is open for the “Australia’s Choice – 2010 Qantas Wallaby of the Year” award.

Choices are:

# Adam Ashley-Cooper
# Kurtley Beale
# Luke Burgess
# Quade Cooper
# Rocky Elsom
# Will Genia
# Matt Giteau
# Wycliff Palu
# David Pocock
# Nathan Sharpe

Vote Here
 
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