Discussion in 'Rugby Discussion' started by RugbyReg, May 9, 2019.
He was injured playing for QLD U18s which ruled him out of contention for Australian Schoolboys
If this is legit then its a pathetic move on his and Picone's part. Getting out of a contract because they dont feel the Reds or RA could honour it only to sign for essentially the same organisation in similar financial peril would be incredibly ugly. If it stems from Thorn not giving him the captaincy it would only prove Thorny was right.
I thought Bailey had usurped him a few matches in, maybe I got it the wrong way round.
Edit: looking over a couple of the Brumbies team sheets in their final few games Kuenzle was in fact the reserve flyhallf.
Bayley missed a couple of games from memory with the mumps. Pretty sure he was one of the affected players.
i'd bet that was a delibrately antagonistic statement designed to enrage QC to the point he'd quit. Instead, he said i'll have a year off and work on my body and pocket the loot.
Sorry, I'm a bit late to this convo but is it only the Reds players taking a pay cut, or if Rodda lands at Brums or 'tahs will it be on a reduced salary also?
All Australian franchises took a 60% reduction for 6 months
So it's clearly not about the money (on which grounds alone no other Aus franchise should sign him imo) but, as I've seen suggested, a falling out with BT either due to or causing him to be overlooked for the captaincy. At 23/24 ffs. Talk about entitlement.
No bet. That's exactly what Quade said when he was asked.
Don't be surprised to see him go to Japan for a season, then end up on a new shiny deal for 2021(maybe)/22/23 at the Brumbies anyway.
Not a great chance that RA will be offering a new contract (if successfully terminated) in time for Rodda to be a part of any All Blacks tests.
The new Reds starting 2nd row will still be the Wallabies starting 2nd row.
With Hockings out aswell, they may bring Simmons back into the fold with Blyth, LSL andd...Neville?Swain? Dunnooooo
Thorn is a my way or the highway bloke, perfect profile for a head coach. he's preparing people for battle. no room for dissenters. Rodda has the sulks about the captaincy and isn't getting the love a sulk needs. He'll grow through the whole disruption. Be interesting down the track if Thorn has the Wallabies and Rodda thinks he should be captain of the team again. I'd expect a different result.
did he start behind Blythe at all when fit??? yeah probably a bit harsh by me. But he doesn't seem far in front of Blythe in the pecking order.
We don't know I guess. Could be both. Personally I think it's all about money. You'd have to have a very fragile ego to want out just because you lost the captaincy (whilst also justifying why you didn't get it).
And I expect all 3 to go to Japan. Rodda might find a home in the Top 14 or UK maybe.
I think this is all about money, they’re concerned about their future earnings on contracts signed.
However Hockings Is the one which has me confused, he was off-contract, and I would have thought playing rugby would have helped his value to oversee as bidders. He must have already been offered some fairly lucrative overseas contract to play this card now.
He was, by RA and QLD to join the rest of the young players coming through on long term deal.
Sure, but that does nothing to ease concerns about actually receiving future earnings on contracts already signed.
My point is those two players conceivably have a reason to fight to break contract, Hockings seems to have far less to gain given he was off contract anyway
Inevitably, "Rugby Australia (RA) and the Queensland Rugby Union have released Reds players Izack Rodda, Harry Hockings and Isaac Lucas."
Sayanara/ au revoir, I guess.
Agree re Hockings. The situation with broadcast deals in OZ is so uncertain. No guarantee of future big contracts here, so shore up your future
I don't understand any of them making the decision if reports are true.
Hockings as mentioned is off contract. So now he forgoes 6 months of pay (some of that reduced) to sign somewhere else on big money (if that exists in the current climate and with his experience) which he could have signed now anyway and left after Nov 30 with considerably more money in his pocket and his reputation in tact.
Rodda equally, gives up 6 months of contract money, worth considerably more than most, to move to another franchise with the same concern over the potential of the franchise to pay any future earnings. That coupled with the fact that any new contract would require substantial input from RA the hand he has just bitten to top up the new earnings to near his current salary as well as the significant hit to his reputation on seemingly spitting the dummy from missing out on the captaincy. Surely the smarter play was to work with both clubs to figure out a swap similar to the Rebels, Tahs, Maddocks deal if the intent is to stay in the domestic market.
Lucas doesnt seem to have the same value in the market as the other two. Given the reduced earning capacity worldwide due to proposed salary cap cuts in most countries, and supposedly with Lucas part of the PONI squad potential earnings from Wallabies games would increase firstly his earning capacity domestically and his value overseas moving forward as opposed to his value as an uncapped player in the Top League even given he wouldn't be a quota player. Again the damage to reputation is also a massive down side for a young and not fully established player.
RA terminated all of their contracts today, so Rodda won't be getting picked up by another Australian team...
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