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Shute Shield 2015

Discussion in 'Shute Shield' started by Hugh Jarse, Aug 17, 2014.

  1. Dave Beat Paul McLean (56)

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  2. Hugh Jarse Rocky Elsom (76)

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    Shute Shield Stats - to round 10

    Most Tries
    Richard WOOLF (Northern Suburbs), 9 Tries
    Joshua HOLMES (Warringah), 9 Tries
    John GRANT (Eastwood), 8 Tries
    Matthew TEKI (Southern Districts), 7 Tries (2014 Colts Player)
    Marcus CARBONE (Southern Districts), 7 Tries
    Ben SHORTER (Eastwood), 6 Tries
    Mark BALDWIN (Randwick), 6 Tries
    Michael ADAMS (Warringah), 6 Tries
    Michael SNOWDEN (Eastwood), 5 Tries
    David PORECKI (Manly), 5 Tries
    Christopher YARRINGTON (Manly), 5 Tries
    William MILLER (Northern Suburbs), 5 Tries
    Andrew KELLAWAY (Randwick), 5 Tries
    Henry CLUNIES-ROSS (Sydney University), 5 Tries

    Top Points Scorer
    Ben BATGER (Eastwood), 156 Points, (4T, 32C, 24PG)
    Joshua KAY (Northern Suburbs), 119 Points, (4T, 30C, 13PG)
    Byron HODGE (Sydney University), 93 Points, (18C, 19PG)
    Hamish ANGUS (Warringah), 82 Points, (1T, 22C, 11PG)
    Ben VOLAVOLA (Southern Districts), 74 Points, (1T, 18C, 11PG)
    Reece HODGE (Manly), 70 Points, (2T, 18C, 8PG)
    Terry PRESTON (Gordon), 64 Points, (2T, 21C, 4PG)
    David HORWITZ (Randwick), 58 Points, (4T, 16C, 2PG)
    Angus LE LIEVRE (West Harbour), 52 Points, (11C, 10PG)

    Golden Boot
    Ben BATGER (Eastwood), 136 Points, (32C, 24PG)
    Joshua KAY (Northern Suburbs), 99 Points, (30C, 13PG)
    Byron HODGE (Sydney University), 93 Points, (18C, 19PG) (Forward)
    Hamish ANGUS (Warringah), 77 Points, (22C, 11PG)
    Ben VOLAVOLA (Southern Districts), 69 Points, (18C, 11PG)
    Reece HODGE (Manly), 60 Points, (18C, 8PG)
    Terry PRESTON (Gordon), 54 Points, (21C, 4PG)
    Angus LE LIEVRE (West Harbour), 52 Points, (11C, 10PG)
    David HORWITZ (Randwick), 38 Points, (16C, 2PG)

    Note: Incomplete data so far
    Parramatta - No point scoring detail - Round 2
    Parramatta - No team list or point scoring detail - Round 3
    Gordon v Sydney University Round 3 - postponed to June Long Weekend
    Parramatta - No team list or point scoring detail - Round 4
    Parramatta - No team list or point scoring detail - Round 6
    Northern Suburbs vs Manly Round 7 - postponed to June Long Weekend
    Parramatta - No team list or point scoring detail - Round 7
    Parramatta - No team list or point scoring detail - Round 8
    Southern Districts - No point scoring detail - Round 9
    Parramatta - No point scoring detail - Round 10
    Southern Districts - No point scoring detail - Round 10
  3. Hugh Jarse Rocky Elsom (76)

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    Gregor George Cup (Club Championship) Watch:
    A fair way to go and there has been some minor jockeying in the table but the usual suspects continue to consolidate their lead at the top of the table.

    There will be further adjustments being made to the table after the postponed games are played over the June Long Weekend.

    It is fairly tight at the top, and tighter than a ducks backside between places 6 and 10 on the table with 98 points separating the five clubs, three of which have some catch up games to play.

    There are a maximum of 215 points available to a club each week, based on all 7 club teams winning with a 4 try BP and the target to win is >3000 points which was achieved by 3 clubs last year. In 2014 the difference between 1st and 2nd was only 33 points, with 3rd only 52 points further back.

    Eastwood, 1589 points **
    Randwick, 1581 points
    Sydney University, 1425 points *
    Manly, 1300 points **
    Northern Suburbs, 1230 points **
    Gordon, 1043 points *
    Warringah, 989 points **
    West Harbour, 954 points
    Southern Districts, 954 points
    Eastern Suburbs, 941 points **
    Parramatta, 530 points **
    Penrith, 77 points


    How the Club Championship table is calculated.
    The competition points from the individual competitions are multiplied by the following factors and then added together.
    First Grade - 15
    Second Grade - 8
    Third Grade - 5
    Fourth Grade - 4
    Colts 1 - 6
    Colts 2 - 3
    Colts 3 - 2

    The 33 point difference between Gold and Silver last year could have been made up from an extra 2 BP in Shute Shield and an extra BP in Colts 2, or an extra victory without a BP in 2nd Grade and an extra BP in Colts 3.

    Notes:
    * Points yet to be allocated from washed out games in Grade 1-4 for Sydney University vs Gordon. Games are being played over June Long Weekend.

    ** Points to be allocated for Washed out Games in Round 7 with the games to be played over the June Long Weekend:
    • Northern Suburbs vs Manly (Grades 1-4 and Colts 1-3)
    • Parramatta v Warringah (Colts 1-3)
    • Eastwood v Eastern Suburbs (Grade 3-4)
  4. formerflanker Nicholas Shehadie (39)

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    Wow - undefeated Manly, in 2nd place with a game in hand, has it's highest try scoring player way down the list at 10th place.
    Inference - the players are sharing the spoils around!
  5. Dave Beat Paul McLean (56)

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    Front Rowers Club as well - and been called up to the Tahs.
    @Pfitzy may change to support the Marlins with a front rower leading the way - DTrain.
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  6. Dave Beat Paul McLean (56)

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    Well done - interesting that when you compare it to the table. Would you have the stats for number of tries each club has scored, and how many tries each club has conceded?
  7. Dave Beat Paul McLean (56)

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    How boring is State of Origin now?
    Old days mate against mate with some fire and passion - doesn't exist.
    Even the lead up was ordinary.

    See a real game with some passion - Manly Oval on Saturday
    the coach and Stands like this.
  8. the coach Dick Tooth (41)

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    I cringe every time I see a league scrum with backs like Billy Slater packing down and nobody even pretending to push. Why do they bother with scrums at all? (Sorry, off topic :confused:)
  9. Hugh Jarse Rocky Elsom (76)

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    I did that last year where it was easy to mine the information off the NSWRU Shute Shield Results web site. The "old system" was much better for extracting that sort of data.

    The new and improved rugbylink system is being used a little haphazardly by some clubs with important details missing which makes "proper" analysis difficult.

    I might give it a go soon.

    Interesting to see last years Try Whisperer, Bergelin, with only 3 tries so far. He has played all rounds (round 2 off the bench) less round 6 and 7, and got his 3 Meat Pies in the round 1 thrashing of the M2B. Nothing since.
  10. Hugh Jarse Rocky Elsom (76)

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    Mighty Manly Marlins Multiple Meatpies
    David PORECKI (Manly), 5 Tries, Hooker
    Christopher YARRINGTON (Manly), 5 Tries, Wing
    Daniel ALLEY (Manly), 4 Tries, Loose Forward
    Richard HOOPER (Manly), 4 Tries, Wing
    Harrison BERGELIN (Manly), 3 Tries, Loose Forward
    Timothy DONLAN (Manly), 3 Tries, Halfback
    Brenden HARTMANN (Manly), 3 Tries, Fullback
    Shaun TREWEEK (Manly), 3 Tries, Utility Back
    Reece HODGE (Manly), 2 Tries, Inside Back
    Samuel LANE (Manly), 2 Tries, Five Eighth
    Kotoni ALE (Manly), 2 Tries, Loose Forward
    7 Other Players on 1 try
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  11. Tah and feathered Watty Friend (18)

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    I think what would be interesting is take the colts club championship point out of the club championship points and see that impacts the table and how much influence colts has on the overall clubs performancd
    I think it will change a few pecking order spots
  12. Dave Beat Paul McLean (56)

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  13. Hugh Jarse Rocky Elsom (76)

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    Colts Club Championship points have 25% impact on the overall Club Championship.

    There are a maximum of 215 Club Championship points available each week.
    There are a maximum of 160 Club Championship points available each week from 4 Grade teams. (approx 75%)
    There are a maximum of 55 Club Championship points available each week from 3 Grade teams. (approx 25%)

    The "pecking" order changes a little when you consider a Grade Only "Club Championship", although it is a rather fruitless exercise because the Club Championship judges the club as a sum of all its parts, giving a good indicator of that Clubs depth and programmes.




    Overall Club Championship Points (Colts and Grade points) - Max of 215 points per week
    1. Eastwood, 1589 points
    2. Randwick, 1581 points
    3. Sydney University, 1425 points
    4. Manly, 1300 points
    5. Northern Suburbs, 1230 points
    6. Gordon Rugby Football Club, 1043 points
    7. Warringah, 989 points
    8. Southern Districts, 954 points
    9. West Harbour, 954 points
    10, Eastern Suburbs, 941 points
    11. Parramatta, 530 points
    12. Penrith, 77 points

    Grade Only “Club Championship” Points - Max of 160 points per week
    1. Eastwood, 1317 points
    2. Manly, 1094 points
    3. Randwick, 1067 points
    4. Warringah, 953 points
    5. Sydney University, 935 points
    6. Northern Suburbs, 830 points
    7. West Harbour, 777 points
    8. Southern Districts, 695 points
    9. Eastern Suburbs, 678 points
    10. Gordon Rugby Football Club, 615 points
    11. Parramatta, 373 points
    12. Penrith, 9 points

    Colts Club Championship Points - Max of 55 points per week
    1. Randwick, 514 points
    2. Sydney University, 490 points
    3. Gordon Rugby Football Club, 428 points
    4. Northern Suburbs, 400 points
    5. Eastwood, 272 points
    6. Eastern Suburbs, 263 points
    7. Southern Districts, 259 points
    8. Manly, 206 points
    9. West Harbour, 177 points
    10. Parramatta, 157 points
    11. Penrith, 68 points
    12. Warringah, 36 points


    Remember that there are also a stack of deferred games to be played over the June Long Weekend which will have impacts on the rankings.
  14. Dave Beat Paul McLean (56)

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  15. Tah and feathered Watty Friend (18)

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    I think what it shows is what clubs have pathway opportunities for a clubs colts
    How are the Randwick colts going to fit into a grade group doing well whereas there are great opportunities for Gordon Colts
  16. Hugh Jarse Rocky Elsom (76)

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    ^^ The ultra talented "former" colts will get picked up by a Super Franchise, so they won't play much Shute Shield Rugby, and more importantly they will not be a road block at their club for younger colts coming through.

    The fairly talented players will look for greener fields when they graduate to Grade and see that there are some rockstar roadblocks ahead of them at their club that will prevent them from getting Shute Shield time. - Forget about the Player Point ssystem because market forces will ultimately undermine the "aggressive recruiting" programmes used by certain clubs.

    It's always going to be a problem at all clubs. A player is only eligible for Colts for two years, and players are usually Shute Shield eligible for something like 4 - 8 years. The aspirational have to either recalibrate their expectations and bed down for a fair amount of time starting in second or third grade, and riding the pine for the higher grades, or register with a nearby club where they may get more love.
  17. Pass it to Dunning! Jimmy Flynn (14)

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  18. Dave Beat Paul McLean (56)

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    Neither can i but sound systems at games - not sure.
  19. Quick Hands David Wilson (68)

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    Manly v Warringah still in progress - one hour injury break. Marlins up 27-17 after 50 mins.
  20. qwerty51 Jason Little (69)

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    1 hour??? What happened?

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