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Super Rugby AU Round 8 - Brumbies vs Waratahs @ Canberra Stadium - Saturday 22 August @ 7.15pm

Discussion in 'Rugby Matches' started by Braveheart81, Aug 18, 2020.

  1. Dan54 Andrew Slack (58)

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    Agree with both points so much BR, don't replace a young fella with another just because he didn't look that good behind a beaten up pack, unless of course you want to really blow his confidence.
    And with White, I reckon him to start for Wallabies and bring Tate off bench is exactly how Tate will end up a very good international 9, let's bring him into test rugby at a good pace.
  2. dru Steve Williams (59)

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    I'd agree that White needs to be in the 23 but I'm not ready to concede 9 yet. Tate is playing seriously well and I havent seen anything that suggests White can snipe or defend like Tate.

    White offers better/quicker passing from the ruck and stands out as a serious competitor, something that probably can't be trained.

    The options are great, let's see White over 80 against better opposition.
  3. KOB1987 Steve Williams (59)

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    Oi !!
  4. Wilson Peter Fenwicke (45)

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    It was definitely focused on his second half performance. I had him toiling away doing the dirty work in the first half and doing nothing wrong. I did probably give him a bit more credit then was due for spoiling Dempsey's try early on, it looks like it was more of an unforced error on second viewing. He really exploded out of the gates right from the start of the 2nd half though - his first try was at 45 minutes, and he was a big part of the Brumbies taking the game away from the tahs. Did some good lineout work throughout as well - including a steal for the possession that lead to Lonergan's try, which really stamps his point of difference to the other two.
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  5. dru Steve Williams (59)

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    I don't think I actually said this - thought I may have quoted someone who did. I don't see the need as a Reds fan to make that comparison between Force and Tahs, though I do have heaps of good will for the Force.
  6. Rugbynutter39 Mark Loane (55)

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    Tate off the bench with his running game against tiring players still sounds better option. White would still be front runner for 9 at this point.
  7. dru Steve Williams (59)

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    Yes this seems to be the narrative. I still want 80 mins from him. I mean Tate's game in the core 9n duties is good to outstanding and he has all these other strengths. White already showed his devolution to the box kick to settle things - if he does that (again) for the WBs I'll be throwing things at the TV.
  8. Up the Guts Paul McLean (56)

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    Looking back on the game, Hunt's absence was massive for the Tahs. They really lacked someone to straighten it up in attack and an older head to control the play.
  9. Brumby Runner John Eales (66)

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    Dru, and do you mean to say that Tate doesn't box kick? Also, if Nic plays 80 minutes, when does Tate get on?
  10. Uh huh Bill Watson (15)

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    In fairness to White, he did snipe his way to a victory over the All Blacks.

    I agree, however, that Tate should be first choice 9 for the Wallabies.
  11. dru Steve Williams (59)

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    We are talking about form though U-h
  12. Derpus Simon Poidevin (60)

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    Id prefer Tate's sniping at the tail end against a tiring defence ans White's game control to begin.
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  13. mst Ken Catchpole (46)

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    It would have been interesting to see what the TMO called if they actually had reviewed it. IMHO I don't think it was as clear cut as many think. Noting the TMO was actually applying the laws as they are written; must have clear and obvious evidence, like the other calls on the night this is a hard one based on they vision they had (I believe).

    Below is one step after Ryan turns after retreating (best screen grab I can get). He was tracking back after playing the ball so Kuenzle can put him onside as he follows through post kick. It was very marginal and could have been very hard to show it was clear and obvious offside.

    Interestingly, what would have added to the TMO considerations was just after the kick, a Tahs player (6) makes contact with Kuenzle arresting his forward progress towards the line. Note the angle and line of the Tahs player and method / point of contact.

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  14. Up the Guts Paul McLean (56)

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    Kuenzle has already kicked the ball in that screenshot. He never gets in front of Lonergan to put him onside, penalty all day.
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  15. mst Ken Catchpole (46)

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    I don't think Tate is in the mix TBH. In time maybe; makes too many mistakes and can struggle with game control. Part of reason I believe Thorn has him coming off the bench lately. This week he was great, last week his lack of vision and poor decisions really hurt the Reds. Give him time, worth having him in the squad though.
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  16. mst Ken Catchpole (46)

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    As per my post:

    Below is one step after Ryan turns after retreating (best screen grab I can get)....
  17. Up the Guts Paul McLean (56)

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    He never retreats, he follows his pass and moves forward toward the ball when in an offside position. It’s a penalty.
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  18. Up the Guts Paul McLean (56)

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    Last week Tate was the starting 9 in the team of the week after his performance against the Rebels. I don’t remember the lack of vision and poor decisions hurting the Reds.
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  19. mst Ken Catchpole (46)

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    Bit better picture . Note where Angus is which may explain why he did not consider the offside straight away.
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  20. TSR Jim Lenehan (48)

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    With regards to both the offside & McDermott MST, I think you are choosing the see what you want to believe.

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