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U16/U19 Competition 2023

RedOrDead

RedOrDead

Ted Thorn (20)
Brumby Runner said:
It looks like the squad may be in some sort of priority order with, for example, the whole Waratahs front row being first three forwards nominated follwed by the two Brumbies locks, and then Hooper also falls into the spot he mostly played at 7. In the backs, similarly, starts with three of the Brumbies in their playing positions.

If so, and without demeaning the Tahs front row at all, but the Brumbies front row and replacements could feel a bit put off as they dominated the set piece and open play, especially in defence, against the Tahs in the final. Anyway, really looking forward to the U20s RC next year.
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I agree. Thought Barrett was the only front rower for the Tahs who really deserved selection in the front row (considering Finau was injured). Thought Edwards may have squeezed in, but some of those impact players for ACT should feel hard done by.
 
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Steve_Grey

Sydney Middleton (9)
SICInsider said:
Jeez I think this all a bit hard on the Tahs. Both their locks dropped the ball over the line!!! They had three tries not allowed as held up. The Brumbies two first half tries were against the run of play. The Tahs left a lot of points out there. Not for one second do I say the Brumbies did not deserve to win - they really did. They improved their scrum from the first game and made an absolute mess of the Tahs lineout maul. And their defence was amazing. That said the Tahs defence was very good as well. I think with the exception of one particular player - who has been identified elsewhere here - the Tahs players acquitted themselves well. Brumbies just too good. But the Tahs were really good as well.
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Do the Waratahs 19+ Academy selectors speak with the NSW U19 Waratahs Coaches? The player - referred to above - started all 5 Super U19 games, out of his depth. Seems the Waratahs Academy weren't impressed as they haven't added him, plus not selected in the Australia U20s prelim squad of 45 [even though the NSW coach 1st choice U19 Waratah #7].

They didn't get an opportunity to view any alternative #7s as he started all games and finished most of them. The NSW #6 and #8 positions were far more fluid, in both starting and finishing players.
 
The Ghost of Raelene

The Ghost of Raelene

Andrew Slack (58)
I know and agree your point is about coaches and selectors and I think its valid, but we don't need to be too harsh on the players as they are still developing as players and like I said in another post, this tournament has exposed players who in all likelihood won't be professionals to criticism we usually reserve for Super Rugby players. Think the Tahs 7 has had quite a bit of chat about him but it's not his fault he's been selected. The best U20 7 eligible in NSW would be Durbridge from the 18s IMO but he wasn't available/selected through what may have been the HSC.

Out of the prelim squad of 45 there is probably 5-6 that will have substantial careers of 5+ years. Another 10 might float around squads. There just isn't going to be studs in every position every year.
 
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RedOrDead

RedOrDead

Ted Thorn (20)
Steve_Grey said:
Maybe a couple of inches (and KGs) too short sadly - get away with at CAS / GPS level, but not at U20s++ . Terrific player at Barker I agree, but expect size may limit him [in the backrow] IMO.
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He's literally 6 foot and 95 kgs... He is one of the biggest 7's in Colts.
 
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Steve_Grey

Sydney Middleton (9)
Love2Scrum said:
West Harbour has appointed Dan Parks as the 1st Grade Attack Coach for the 2024 season
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Wonder who Waratahs appoint as their NSW U19 Coach next season - given the success of the NSW U16 and U18 this year, perhaps one of them moves up an age group [or three].
 
The Ghost of Raelene

The Ghost of Raelene

Andrew Slack (58)
16s, 18s tend to come out of the Schools with assistance from NSW. 19s is NSW chosen from club coaching ranks.

Could happen but would need one of them to want to step into it.
 
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Steve_Grey

Sydney Middleton (9)
Highlander35 said:
Attack? Dan Parks? Somebodies wires are crossed.
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Hahaha - oxymoron indeed (maybe they missed out the word 'kicking'?); but on a serious note, it will be interesting to see how Colts [and Grade] Coaches approach attack [and defence] with the new tackle height rule changes, and the mandate to enforce the 'existing law preventing a ball carrier from “dipping” into a tackle' - I can't find that law, but I only did a very quick search of the existing laws.

I wonder if refs spend so much time on this specific area, teams can game offside lines etc......interesting times.
 
Highlander35

Highlander35

Andrew Slack (58)
Steve_Grey said:
Hahaha - oxymoron indeed (maybe they missed out the word 'kicking'?); but on a serious note, it will be interesting to see how Colts [and Grade] Coaches approach attack [and defence] with the new tackle height rule changes, and the mandate to enforce the 'existing law preventing a ball carrier from “dipping” into a tackle' - I can't find that law, but I only did a very quick search of the existing laws.

I wonder if refs spend so much time on this specific area, teams can game offside lines etc......interesting times.
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The oxymoron is indeed amusing: but meant with love. Seriously, I can't help but feel he's the type of resource that should be being used more in Australia, both from a coaching perspective, he's come across as being both very well spoken and strong enough to say what he perceives as difficult truths, and from a practical one, he is a player who has always had a great understanding of kicking in rugby, both tactically and for goal, and has over 300 "first class" career games to his name. I don't know what he's like in an actual high performance environment, or if his "played for another tier 1 nation" has made him a persona non grata, but it's odd that someone of his specific abilities has been seemingly uninvolved at at least super level for a specialist role.
 
Hawko

Hawko

Tony Shaw (54)
Not blessed with Campese/Horan/Ella type skills, he is one of those players who had to work to get everything out of his game that he could. Funnily enough, those type of people seem to make far better coaches than those who had huge talent. Just because he had NH playing skills, it doesn't mean he will coach that way. Larkham was one of the most innovative 10's we have ever had, but I think he coaches very conservatively. Maybe Parks will be the reverse - conservative player, innovative coach.
 
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