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Under-20 Competitions including Oceania & World U20s

Discussion in 'Rugby Discussion' started by TOCC, Mar 16, 2018.

  1. Roberts Rugby Phil Hardcastle (33)

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    Bailey is back home now and will most likely be representing our Junior Wallabies.
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  2. The Nomad Bill McLean (32)

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    The way rep teams get picked these days maybe he is seen as not tall enough to play 6/8, last time I saw him play he filled a power forward role , not that of a 7.

    Good luck to him , he will be 20 this year I think , so last crack at the pathways.
  3. Roberts Rugby Phil Hardcastle (33)

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    He’s in the squad so the coaches must see some opportunity for him.
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  4. The Nomad Bill McLean (32)

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    Has there been anything official released from the powers that be regarding the Junior RWC?

    The whole area that's hosting it this year is currently shut down to travel.
  5. bignoofa Allen Oxlade (6)

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    I hear they have cut the squad further ..any updates
  6. The Nomad Bill McLean (32)

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    Down to around 45ish , they are in Canberra this week training , play internal trials this Sat.

    Don't think the current squad will get officially announced.

    Final squad will get announced around May based on last year, if it's still on.
  7. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    There has to be a huge chance that this gets cancelled.
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  8. Wilson Peter Fenwicke (45)

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    Can't imagine it going ahead in Italy at this point, may depend on whether there's any opportunity to move it.
  9. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    I just can't imagine it being prioritised enough to have it go ahead at all costs.
  10. qwerty51 George Gregan (70)

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    Australia still hasn't hosted this. What's doing. South Africa, NZ, England, Wales, Japan, Georgia, Argentina 2x, France 2x, Italy 2x and potentially 3x have.
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  11. COX'S ROUTE Frank Nicholson (4)

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    Good point, but how many people do you think would attend these fixtures if in AUS??

    In France they sold out complete stadiums, even for matches not involving France. Think Aus vs NZ got about 15 K .

    I think WR would be wise to keep it where the crowds support
  12. qwerty51 George Gregan (70)

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    What's the point there? Were the matches sold out in every other country? They are played mid-week in the middle of the day at park grounds. Sometimes it's really only family and friends there + other teams.
  13. bignoofa Allen Oxlade (6)

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    Really all very secretive..
  14. bignoofa Allen Oxlade (6)

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    Must be a list somewhere
  15. COX'S ROUTE Frank Nicholson (4)

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    from what I saw, Georgia had very small venues and crowds. Not too sure about Argentina, didnt get to see much of it.

    The point is, if the Europeans really support it at level that is far higher then elsewhere, then I think there is a good argument for holding in the countries that will fill stadiums and support it. I would be embarrassed if it was held here. It would be like a NRC crowd or less for the AUS games. - Maybe some country venues like Mudgee might work.

    F ALL mention in the media on last years campaign although we played in the final. I even wrote to Paul Kennedy on ABC News Breakfast alerting him to the U20 campaign, still no mention.


    On the same argument, Fiji has never held a world cup, and never likely to in my lifetime. They will always put them where it makes commercial sense to do so.
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  16. qwerty51 George Gregan (70)

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    I have no idea why Australia has not held it. But I will say with absolutely certainty it has NOTHING to do with crowds in attendance for the matches.
  17. Adam84 Jim Lenehan (48)

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    I’d say one of the major reasons is the availability of quality grounds over the period that the cup is scheduled to run.

    Rectangular stadiums around the country are pretty busy with NRL/Super Rugby, Australia doesn’t have as many ‘boutique’ stadiums as other countries do, there’s a handful in Sydney but other then that it’s down to club grounds. Some club grounds might be suitable, but in many cases the grounds are in poor shape that it’s not really worth it.

    I also suspect the logistical cost of hosting it in Australia would be greater then other countries, teams would need to be spread between Brisbane and Melbourne, I’d imagine the transport costs are more prohibitive then France/Japan/Italy in that regard., notably the countries who have hosted more then once are also big football countries, I wonder if there is a correlation there because of having more boutique stadiums available through football association and the number of time hosted.
  18. kiap Mark Ella (57)

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    It's not a spending priority from RA's own purse. Pure and simple, end of story.

    From the purported tilt at bringing the tournament here for 3 years in a row (which is how WR are perhaps looking at making it into a more commercial proposition in the future) …

    "RugbyWA is planning a bold bid to bring the international junior world cup to Perth for … the 2021, 2022 and 2023 World Rugby U20 Championships."

    "The plan has the backing of Rugby Australia who would be unable to fund or stage the event on a stand-alone basis."


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  19. qwerty51 George Gregan (70)

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    NZ hosted the tournament purely in Auckland. If it was in Australia it would go to a specific city - Sydney or Brisbane.

    They held matches at North Harbour and Counties home grounds and a couple at Eden Park.

    Sydney could easily offer up Concord and Leichardt oval. Brisbane could use Ballymore and Bond? (some QLDer help me)

    I came up with these logistics in 3 minutes.

    Edit: To kiap's point I'm staggered that the home nation has to fund it and not WR. How does the Italian union, Argentinean union or even the Georgian union able to afford it but some reason RA can't!?
  20. kiap Mark Ella (57)

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    Yeah, I don't think it's necessarily hugely expensive. But it just doesn't make any money as a one-off single-year event.

    When organizations are skint, priorities get implemented.

    If it's made into hosting for 3 years, though, there is a better possibility of sponsorship.

    IF

    IF

    IF someone pays for that.

    Show me the money … :D

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