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Wallabies 2020

Discussion in 'Rugby Discussion' started by A mutterer, Oct 19, 2019.

  1. Rebels3 Peter Johnson (47)

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    Tate absolutely has to be the 9 if White isn’t available. He’s so far ahead of the others
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  2. Derpus Michael Lynagh (62)

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    If you adhere to the Ben Darwin cohesion theorem then you are best off picking combinations. i.e. Powell & Lolesio or McDermott & JOC (assuming they are cohesive in their SR sides).

    You could also see the centre pairings as a single pick. Simone & TK or Stewart & Paisami.

    Id go McDermott, JOC, Simone, TK - for the first test.
  3. Up the Guts Mark Ella (57)

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    You’ve got to start the combinations somewhere though, I’d rather use the disrupted year to get the young fellas into it. Lolesio is 10 for me and McDermott the 9. Stick JOC at 12 (I think he’s been better than Toomua) and TK at 13.
  4. Derpus Michael Lynagh (62)

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    Not keen on Toomua or JOC at 12 if they havent been playing there, particularly as Stewart and Simone are both in good form.
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  5. fatprop Jason Little (69)

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    Toomua is the best 12 in the country
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  6. fatprop Jason Little (69)

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    Toomua & TK know who eachother are
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  7. Up the Guts Mark Ella (57)

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    10 to 12 isn’t the hardest transition in the world (not nearly as hard as 12 to 10), particularly when both play 10 more like 12s anyway.
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  8. rugboy Watty Friend (18)

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    While I appreciate the theory of an interrupted season as a good as reason as any to blood the youngsters I still think there should be some level of caution about throwing in a host of rookies as starters in a Bledisloe. McDermott, Lolesio, Simone, Stewart and Paisami are all going reasonably well but to throw too many into the furnace together would be a mistake. Lolesio was targeted against the Highlanders pre-Covid and produced easily his worst performance. We need some experience in there especially in midfield with what the All Blacks will throw at us. Blood some younguns around them and maybe another one or two off the bench for a late cameo to get the exposure. If we throw a host in and they get exposed it can have long lasting ramifications on them.
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  9. wamberal Michael Lynagh (62)

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    The best way to destroy a young up-and-comer is to throw him in against the Darkness before he is ready.
  10. Up the Guts Mark Ella (57)

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    I definitely wouldn’t have a fresh 10, 12 and 13. I’m pretty sure 12 and 13 is going to be JOC/MT and 13 TK. If White gets back he will be 9 so one of the rookies is off the bench. I really think we have to get Lolesio (with Harrison not far behind) at 10, we’ve stuffed around with indecision in the position for so long.
  11. Slim 293 George Gregan (70)

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    The Brumbies were also missing Simone in that match, and Ikitau was brought in to play at inside centre, where I don't think he's had much if any experience.....

    But largely I agree we want to be cautious about blooding too many young ones straight up, however I think Lolesio's form is so far ahead of all the other options I think we should throw him in.
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  12. Tangawizi Peter Fenwicke (45)

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  13. rugboy Watty Friend (18)

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    That was my point, Lolesio and Ikitau as two rookies got seriously exposed against a NZ provincial team. Definitely no argument from that that Lolesio is the best performing 10. I would like to see him start a Bledisloe this year, although I think throwing him in to start game one could be counter productive to a player who has all the makings of our long term solution at 10. Get him to be part of it in game 1, bring him on in the second half when much of the heat has come out of the game, let him find his feet with a view to starting games 3 and 4. Take the long term view.
  14. RugbyReg Rocky Elsom (76)

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    That's a pretty fair point.

    I'd be bringing the likes of Lolesio, Harrison, Wilson, McDermott, McReight, Swain, Simone, Bell, Blyth, Gibbon, Swinton into the training squad, but in the end you might just run with this this year.

    15 Banks
    14 DHP
    13 Kuridrani
    12 Toomua
    11 Koroiebete
    10 JOC
    9 White
    8 Naisirani
    7 Hooper
    6 Samu
    5 Simmons
    4 Philip
    3 Alaalatoa
    2 Faingaa
    1 Slipper
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  15. Slim 293 George Gregan (70)

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    Valetini showed again on the weekend why I'd love to see him at 6..... he was able to slow down the Rebels attack with every tackle he made.
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  16. Up the Guts Mark Ella (57)

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    I’ll probably eat these words when we get our traditional game one whooping but I don’t think the ABs are as scary a prospect as they were a few years ago. New coach, soundly beaten in the World Cup Semi last year, new combinations after World Cup retirements, it’s not just the well-oiled machine turning out for another year. The fact that the Reds went as a bunch of rookies to Christchurch and for large parts of the game dominated the Crusaders physically says that a lot of these younger guys won’t be overawed.

    I’d be disappointed not to see at least one of Wilson/Valetini/Lolesio/McDermott

    Edit: I should probably also mention the Brumbies absolutely smoked the Chiefs in the Waikato (admittedly, they have been pretty poor under Gatland) in one of the best performances from an Australian Super team on NZ soil in recent memory.
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  17. Slim 293 George Gregan (70)

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    That match, and the performance the Brumbies put on for their win against the Chiefs in Hamilton had me excited to see how both teams would fare against the rest of the NZ opposition, but alas...
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  18. Up the Guts Mark Ella (57)

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    Edited my post to add that match before I saw yours. Brumbies vs Crusaders would have been very tight. On the Brumbies, I think Wright is also someone to throw out there for a definite squad position and maybe an appearance in jersey 23 at some point.
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  19. qwerty51 George Gregan (70)

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    Interesting poll by NZ Super Rugby players.. only 26% of them agreed they got the coach and assistants right.
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  20. Bobby Sands Banned

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    Not anymore he isn't. But he's a bloody good player.

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