Sydney Subbies 2022

[Eastcoast]

Boring day at work - So thought Id help out Div 4
This was based mainly off the handful of the final games I saw and stealing some names off FuseSport.
@Prodigy @Pfitzy
Happy to have your take on these. A few Epping lads but couldnt find a spot for any Rouse Hill boys.

I would have done Div 5 -But couldnt pick 14 Menai players and Curtis Scott.

1. German Haeffeli
2. Hugh Morgan
3. James Willets
4. Alasdair Forrest
5. Ben Stokes
6. Daniel Abrams
7. Harry Byrnes
8. Angus Mclelland
9. Toby Mcgee
10. Franco Guimil
11.Joe Naulawavu
12. Nick Stubbs
13. Amena Bushell
14. Siga McKay
15. Josh Crookston

 

[Pfitzy]

couldnt find a spot for any Rouse Hill boys.

There is no Rouse Hill. Only Renegades Rugby

I was basically just going to say: as many Oysters as you need, throw in the McLean Medal winner and some Epping boys, as well as some Savers in the Tight Five as their scrum was pretty solid.

 

[Eastcoast]

There is no Rouse Hill. Only Renegades Rugby

I was basically just going to say: as many Oysters as you need, throw in the McLean Medal winner and some Epping boys, as well as some Savers in the Tight Five as their scrum was pretty solid.

Sorry Pfitzy - Couldnt fit a spot for the Renegades boys,

Side note @Prodigy - How did your man win the McLean Medal - Only saw him on 5-6 team sheets? Was he that dominant?

 

[Pfitzy]

Sorry Pfitzy - Couldnt fit a spot for the Renegades boys,

lol all good - we put in some decent work at times but a lot of those teams above us had real quality

 

[Prodigy]

Boring day at work - So thought Id help out Div 4
This was based mainly off the handful of the final games I saw and stealing some names off FuseSport.
@Prodigy @Pfitzy
Happy to have your take on these. A few Epping lads but couldnt find a spot for any Rouse Hill boys.

I would have done Div 5 -But couldnt pick 14 Menai players and Curtis Scott.

1. German Haeffeli
2. Hugh Morgan
3. James Willets
4. Alasdair Forrest
5. Ben Stokes
6. Daniel Abrams
7. Harry Byrnes
8. Angus Mclelland
9. Toby Mcgee
10. Franco Guimil
11.Joe Naulawavu
12. Nick Stubbs
13. Amena Bushell
14. Siga McKay
15. Josh Crookston

Thanks for the challenge there, @Eastcoast. The top three teams were definitely dominant in the competition, so they will make up the majority of the Division 4 team. Given my club allegiances and some bias, I am going to limit myself to five players from any team. With that, here is my Division 4 team of the year:
1. Franco Velasquez (Savers)
2. Hugh Morgan (Oysters)
3. David Lyons (Savers)
4. Alasdair Forrest (Epping)
5. Ben Stokes (Merrylands)
6. Carlos Tempone (Savers)
7. Harry Byrnes (Epping)
8. Angus McClelland (Oysters)
9. Roy Harrison (Oysters)/Toby Newton-McGee (Epping)
10. Jack Remond (Oysters)
11. Geff Marshall (Epping)
12. Nick Stubbs (Oysters)
13. Mena Bushell (Epping)
14. Jonathan McKenzie (Redfield)
15. Gaston Arias (Savers)

The Savers front row are amazing, both in the set piece and around the park. Could have added Haeffell there.
The second row are a pair of toilers. You won't see them do the flashy things but they get through a lot of work.
The back row is interchangeable and dynamic. Tempone was quiet against us, but I've seen him do amazing things. Byrnes is very rightly the McLean Medallist and a game breaker. McClelland is an amazing leader and great all-round player - has been for a long time.
A great lineout with Forrest, Byrnes, McClelland and Tempone all capable jumpers.
Halfback - I can't split Harrison and my own runt, TNM. Both have great vision and passes.
The combo between Remond and Stubbs I couldn't break. Bushell is a line breaking freak. Arias was a fantastic addition to the Savers team at the back end of the season, given his professional 7s and 15s experience. McKenzie was a solid comtributor for a very good Redfield team, who were a bit unlucky not to have more players listed and Marshall is a tryscoring freak. For a little guy, he packs a hell of a punch, is tough in contact and doesn't give an inch.

 

[Eastcoast]

Thanks for the challenge there, @Eastcoast. The top three teams were definitely dominant in the competition, so they will make up the majority of the Division 4 team. Given my club allegiances and some bias, I am going to limit myself to five players from any team. With that, here is my Division 4 team of the year:
1. Franco Velasquez (Savers)
2. Hugh Morgan (Oysters)
3. David Lyons (Savers)
4. Alasdair Forrest (Epping)
5. Ben Stokes (Merrylands)
6. Carlos Tempone (Savers)
7. Harry Byrnes (Epping)
8. Angus McClelland (Oysters)
9. Roy Harrison (Oysters)/Toby Newton-McGee (Epping)
10. Jack Remond (Oysters)
11. Geff Marshall (Epping)
12. Nick Stubbs (Oysters)
13. Mena Bushell (Epping)
14. Jonathan McKenzie (Redfield)
15. Gaston Arias (Savers)

The Savers front row are amazing, both in the set piece and around the park. Could have added Haeffell there.
The second row are a pair of toilers. You won't see them do the flashy things but they get through a lot of work.
The back row is interchangeable and dynamic. Tempone was quiet against us, but I've seen him do amazing things. Byrnes is very rightly the McLean Medallist and a game breaker. McClelland is an amazing leader and great all-round player - has been for a long time.
A great lineout with Forrest, Byrnes, McClelland and Tempone all capable jumpers.
Halfback - I can't split Harrison and my own runt, TNM. Both have great vision and passes.
The combo between Remond and Stubbs I couldn't break. Bushell is a line breaking freak. Arias was a fantastic addition to the Savers team at the back end of the season, given his professional 7s and 15s experience. McKenzie was a solid comtributor for a very good Redfield team, who were a bit unlucky not to have more players listed and Marshall is a tryscoring freak. For a little guy, he packs a hell of a punch, is tough in contact and doesn't give an inch.

Great Analysis -

Anyone on here from Div 5 to give it a crack?

No one else had a shot at Div 1 either - Surely the @The Waverley Walrus could have a shot?

When do we start the shit talk for 2023?

 

[HogansHeros]

Long time lurker first time poster.

What are peoples thoughts on the viability of localised mid-week 10 a side comps through summer, maybe 5-10 week comp in the early months of the year depending on club numbers.

Obviously another big commitment for volunteers, and ground availability an issue, but might keep players engaged in the club through the off season.

 

[Pfitzy]

Long time lurker first time poster.

What are peoples thoughts on the viability of localised mid-week 10 a side comps through summer, maybe 5-10 week comp in the early months of the year depending on club numbers.

Obviously another big commitment for volunteers, and ground availability an issue, but might keep players engaged in the club through the off season.

Good idea. I reckon the growing number of preseason 7s and 10s tournaments are going to keep some clubs busy as it is. There is also the question of insurance and ground availability.

 

[Pfitzy]

Interested to hear everyone’s thoughts on the make up of next seasons divisions
Bring on the subbies 2023 thread @Pfitzy

Ha! Let's wait until I've recovered from 2022 first. My chiro could buy a new car with the money I'm sinking into post-season repairs

 

[The Waverley Walrus]

Great Analysis -

Anyone on here from Div 5 to give it a crack?

No one else had a shot at Div 1 either - Surely the @The Waverley Walrus could have a shot?

When do we start the shit talk for 2023?

been taking some time out from the forum, or as I call it Pfitzy’s memoirs. Interested to hear your thoughts on 2023 Eastcoast - what excuse will subbies have for not relegating Drummoyne? Petersham and Knox all but confirmed.

div1 team of the year - I’ve done my best to include players outside of the East but really there shouldn’t be any.

1. Waverley
2. Colleagues
3. Knox
4. Waverley
5. Colleagues
6. Petersham
7. Colleagues
8. Waverley
9. Colleagues
10. Colleagues
11. Hunters Hill
12. Waverley
13. Colleagues
14. Drummoyne
15. Mosman

 

[Pfitzy]

what excuse will subbies have for not relegating Drummoyne? Petersham and Knox all but confirmed.

If Petersham and Knox are all but confirmed, then First Div is back to 8 clubs, yes?

 

[Pfitzy]

been taking some time out from the forum, or as I call it Pfitzy’s memoirs.

Classic. Not a bad idea tho I can write a Modern History Of Suburban Rugby from these threads

 

[Pfitzy]

If this is true how would a team like Petersham fair in Div 2? What is the gap between divisions at the upper end

Not much if Hunters and St Pats are anything to go by?

Thing is, the season was coming out of Covid so it's hard to judge IMHO.

Newport and UNSW look strong. Valley were very good in First grade through the season. Lindfield were competitive as well.

Rising tide lifts all boats etc

 

[Heavyd]

Div 2 2023

Lindfield
Drummoyne
Epping
Newport
Hills
Hawkesbury Valley
UNSW
Knox (do subbies give them an opportunity to rebuild in DIV 2 or despatch them to DIv 5 to start again as a one team club?)
* If not KNOBs maybe Harlequinns?

 

[HogansHeros]

Will any Div 4 clubs have enough players to join Div 3?

 

[Prodigy]

Div 2 2023

Lindfield
Drummoyne
Epping
Newport
Hills
Hawkesbury Valley
UNSW
Knox (do subbies give them an opportunity to rebuild in DIV 2 or despatch them to DIv 5 to start again as a one team club?)
* If not KNOBs maybe Harlequinns?

Highly doubtful you'll see Epping there. If the requirement is Colts AND four grades, then it seems tough. We've had a meeting with Subbies - they've brought up a number of things that we need to 'fix'.

 

[The Ghost of Raelene]

If this is true how would a team like Petersham fair in Div 2? What is the gap between divisions at the upper end

Hard to say about the Gap between divisions as a whole as there may be 1/2 teams in lower divisions that could be in the top half of Div 1 in some years.

Hard to move some clubs at times as you can have 3-4 blokes leave who may have some mates with them and suddenly you are down 10 players which can change a club. Especially if they are 1st graders

I feel like Knox would surely benefit from Div 3 the most?? Could have the exact same issue in Div 2 as they did this year but going too low may have some people just leave thinking it's dead? Curious on what people think

 

[HogansHeros]

I feel like Knox would surely benefit from Div 3 the most?? Could have the exact same issue in Div 2 as they did this year but going too low may have some people just leave thinking it's dead? Curious on what people think

No such thing as going too low, ask Beecroft

 

[Pfitzy]

Hard to say about the Gap between divisions as a whole as there may be 1/2 teams in lower divisions that could be in the top half of Div 1 in some years.

This year being a good example - Hunters and St Pats did fairly well across the Grades.

 

[The Ghost of Raelene]

No such thing as going too low, ask Beecroft

Good point.

I guess if they had numbers, they could enter another team in Halligans? It's just hard to believe they got to a point of 1 team for parts of the season...