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Wallabies v Ireland, Sun 20th Nov 7am AEDT

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Hawko

Tony Shaw (54)
We are playing Ireland, the top team in the world. To have a hope of winning we had to select the players who would really have an impact right from the start. That means Tupou and Skelton at 3 and 5. There is just not enough power and impact in that pack to establish dominance.

This pack has been selected to not lose too badly, which says more about the coaching mindset than I think they would want to announce.

With the injuries, the backline is about the best we could muster. Whether you play Hodge instead of one of them is a real 50-50 call. Maybe Hodge at 15, Kellaway at 11 and Wright to the bench would work better in the kicking duels that are inevitable, but it is not obvious
 

emuarse

Desmond Connor (43)
We are playing Ireland, the top team in the world. To have a hope of winning we had to select the players coach who would really have an impact right from the start. That means Tupou and Skelton at 3 and 5. There is just not enough power and impact in that pack to establish dominance.

This pack has been selected to not lose too badly, which says more about the coaching mindset than I think they would want to announce.

With the injuries, the backline is about the best we could muster. Whether you play Hodge instead of one of them is a real 50-50 call. Maybe Hodge at 15, Kellaway at 11 and Wright to the bench would work better in the kicking duels that are inevitable, but it is not obvious
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Joe Blow

Peter Sullivan (51)
No Reece Hodge? Maybe DR is looking for counter attack from the back 3?
Pack looks good but also surprised Skelton is not starting. Neville was excellent when he came on last week so maybe not so surprising.
 

gel

Ken Catchpole (46)
“Jock was nowhere near his best on the weekend, and he was crook late in the week and he was probably a bit flat on game day. We still rate him, he’s certainly still in the reckoning for Wales.”

Quite a mix of content in that one paragraph.

Is he still sick?

Or is he better, but dropped this week because of his poor performance?
 

dru

Tim Horan (67)
If you are bothered by a rant this morning take heart that everything gets positive if you jump past this bit - <rant ends>

<commence rant>

IMO Rennie made a massive error in not treating Italy with respect last week. But that doesn't change how things are going with the Wallabies. Unfortunately while he is close to getting the best some good out of them on almost every second game, they still don't really know how to close out tight ones. Discipline remains the achilles heel and while our scrum and maul can mostly be relied on, in an era where territory kicking features heavily the line out remains shabby.

Selection at 2, 9 and 10 is a study on its own. Despite some unpublicised, claimed personally compiled stats by a single fan to the contrary, we appear to have two options with reasonable field performance but can't hit a barge with a barge pole (even a big barge), and the usual starter who is a "jack of all trades" - ie good at zack. And some suggest what's the point in good throw if the line can't communicate, call, lift, jump or catch a ball? At 9 we have a preferred selection of a player who is a paradigm. Paradigm of p#ssing off the ref, that is. It sets the tone and narrative for team discipline quite nicely. As a back up we have a coin toss between two players with little commonality in skills and strengths, either of which might have developed had they more game time than a rotational bench policy permits. Oh and this particular coin toss being apparently rewarded for the colour yellow on his last outing. Nice!

10 leads us to the repeated global search for someone who once was almost good. And a selection of a development player who seems to be reconsidered as a poor historical choice (whether or not this is actually correct is open to opinion) with the alternative given a shot carefully, and for once skillfully arranged - for ambush and destruction. It's OK as on the wing we are starting a player who is supported by approx 0.27% of non-Brumby fans. Awesome endorsement. He is backed up by a bench player - who was so invisible in the Australia A v Italy game the commentators didn't even know he was there.

Let's not dig too far into our kicking prowess which suitably matches our line out skillset.

On the bench we have our two best "up the guts and at 'em" players carefully set for a) making life more difficult for the bench hooker who can't throw and b) too late to impact the rucks sufficiently to take out the game.

Wallabies 22 : Ireland 6. [That's the penalty count.]

No wonder there is a building steady thrum from the fan base that world rankings are irrelevant.

<rant ends>
 
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stillmissit

Chilla Wilson (44)
If you are bothered by a rant this morning take heart that everything gets positive if you jump past this bit - <rant ends>

<commence rant>

IMO Rennie made a massive error in not treating Italy with respect last week. But that doesn't change how things are going with the Wallabies. Unfortunately while he is close to getting the best some good out of them on almost every second game, they still don't really know how to close out tight ones. Discipline remains the achilles heel and while our scrum and maul can mostly be relied on, in an era where territory kicking features heavily the line out remains shabby.

Selection at 2, 9 and 10 is a study on its own. Despite some unpublicised, claimed personally compiled stats by a single fan to the contrary, we appear to have two options with reasonable field performance but can't hit a barge with a barge pole even a big barge), and the usual starter who is a "jack of all trades" - ie good at zack. And some suggest what's the point in good throw if the line can't communicate, call, lift, jump or catch a ball? At 9 we have a preferred selection of a player who is a paradigm. Paradigm of p#ssing off the ref, that is. It sets the tone and narrative for team discipline quite nicely. As a back up we have a coin toss between two players with little commonality in skills and strengths, either of which might have developed had they more game time than a rotational bench policy permits. Oh and this particular coin toss being apparently rewarded for the colour yellow on his last outing. Nice!

10 leads us to the repeated global search for someone who once was almost good. And a selection of a development player who seems to be reconsidered as a poor historical choice (whether or not this is actually correct is open to opinion) with the alternative given a shot carefully, and for once skillfully arranged - for ambush for destruction. It's OK as on the wing we are starting a player who is supported by approx 0.27% of non-Brumby fans. Awesome endorsement. He is backed up by a bench player - who was so invisible in the Australia A v Italy game the commentators didn't even know he was there.

Let's not dig too far into our kicking prowess which suitably matches our line out skillset.

On the bench we have our two best "up the guts and at 'em" players carefully set for a) making life more difficult for the bench hooker who can't throw and b) too late to impact the rucks sufficiently to take out the game.

Wallabies 22 : Ireland 6. [That's the penalty count.]

No wonder there is a building steady thrum from the fan base that world ranking sare irrelevant.

<rant ends>
Dru, there are several points in there I agree with but it is getting close to game day and my 'it's all f**k'd' meter has started to shut down until mid-morning Sunday. Hope is all that's left, we have to abandon logic and common sense. Pin our hopes on HOPE!
 

stillmissit

Chilla Wilson (44)
“Jock was nowhere near his best on the weekend, and he was crook late in the week and he was probably a bit flat on game day. We still rate him, he’s certainly still in the reckoning for Wales.”

Quite a mix of content in that one paragraph.

Is he still sick?

Or is he better, but dropped this week because of his poor performance?
That just says if a player cannot play out of his skin then 'I can't see if he's a goodie or not'.
 

Slim 293

Stirling Mortlock (74)
There’s a lot of impact coming off that bench and I thought McDermott might have best complemented that.

It’s a strong team otherwise…

It’s also good to see Lolesio not go the way of JOC (James O'Connor) - Foley is not available next week and we’ll need Lolesio starting, and he’ll be better served surrounded by a stronger team.
 

stillmissit

Chilla Wilson (44)
No Reece Hodge? Maybe DR is looking for counter attack from the back 3?
Pack looks good but also surprised Skelton is not starting. Neville was excellent when he came on last week so maybe not so surprising.
Why Joe, I can't see that. My one good eye can't see that at all.
 

Dctarget

John Eales (66)
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dillyboy

Nev Cottrell (35)
Yeah I just don't get the thought of the selection at 9 beyond "rotation for the sake of it"

With Thor & Skelton on the bench (personally I'd start both) it looks like we're going for late impact (locking the gate after the horse has bolted) but wouldn't Tate best lift the tempo when they come on??
 

PhilClinton

Geoff Shaw (53)
Geez not a lot of ‘insurance’ in the team.

Wright and Marky both game breakers but also quite head explodey. Kellaway a great talent but still quite raw for a fullback. Petaia on the bench, again electric but also prone to either breaking down or doing dumb shit.

Would have liked Hodge or Campbell somewhere in the 23.

I guess Rennie is hoping for an attacking blitz - the old we just gotta score more points than them approach. Odd we left Tate out in case.
 

Derpus

George Gregan (70)
Seems nuts to me they aren't starting Skelton. Close to best on ground last week. This would be the game to let him run himself into the ground for 50/60 mins and see if he is effective against the best packs in the world.
He also dismantled the Irish pack in the European Championship.
 

Derpus

George Gregan (70)
“Jock was nowhere near his best on the weekend, and he was crook late in the week and he was probably a bit flat on game day. We still rate him, he’s certainly still in the reckoning for Wales.”

Quite a mix of content in that one paragraph.

Is he still sick?

Or is he better, but dropped this week because of his poor performance?
Hes dropped because they played him whilst still sick. Obviously.
 
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