Ireland v Wallabies, Saturday 15/11 (Sunday morning Aus time)

[molman]

People who follow rugby only remember certain things about the Wallabies:
* Grand Slam 1984 Ellas
* RWC 1991
* RWC 1999
* Lions Tour Winners 2001

All those eras had something in common - a bunch of people on and off the field who came together at the right time to create a legendary team.

(And, many times, opponents who were not near their peak or had fallen behind in some critical area e.g. our ascension to professionalism post-95 was streets ahead of everyone else).

In between those eras are gulfs of what we should expect our systems to produce i.e. plucky battlers who are going to struggle when more resources and better alignment create high-percentage, sustainable rugby.

Agreed. It’s been pretty easy to look at the direction Wallaby wins have gone over time irrespective of coaches, player selections and all the other week in week out aspects that people think are the issues (and fill post after post on these forums). End of the day it’s our system against another nations system.

I still feel like we have the capacity to be doing better than we are and if we had all our best on the field/bench we’re capable of beating many teams, but those golden eras I don’t see returning any time soon.

 

[rugbyAU]

JAS kicked at 78% as well.

72% last year

 

[rugbyAU]

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[HooperPocockSmith]

So we cannot pick them when we need them?

Maybe it’s the price (the odd game) we have to pay to see them properly develop.

 

[Tomthumb]

The agreement was always that he would play two games

Agreement with who?

 

[rugbyAU]

Agreement with who?

RA & Exeter

 

[Tomthumb]

RA & Exeter

Why? Tom Hooper played and the game was in the reg 9 window. Why does no other team have to negotiate for their players yet we consistently kowtow to them

 

[rugbyAU]

Why? Tom Hooper played and the game was in the reg 9 window. Why does no other team have to negotiate for their players yet we consistently kowtow to them

I don’t know but that’s was the agreement for him since April

 

[KOB1987]

Why? Tom Hooper played and the game was in the reg 9 window. Why does no other team have to negotiate for their players yet we consistently kowtow to them

I don’t know the answer to that but from what I read it was more specific than he would only play 2 games, it was that he wouldn’t play in the game v Italy.

 

[cyclopath]

Maybe it’s the price (the odd game) we have to pay to see them properly develop.

If they're not capped the other possibility is they stay there and qualify for another nation.

 

[Italophile]

Amazing Ireland were bagging out their 10 comparing him to sexton
The bloke killed it
If we had him and a good 9 you could win that game
Seriously I would be throwing the check book at a nrl half like Katoa who is very talented and only couple of years out of rugby
Otherwise without a decent 10 you are average and we have no good ones atm

He was being bagged because he struggled badly under pressure and is an absolute turnstile in defence. We placed him under no pressure and didn't test him.

 

[Slim 293]

Watching the game later in the day I'm not up to speed about what camps are blaming whom for the loss, but...

But way too many pushed passes to players in no position to do anything, and too many runners receiving the balls in a stationery position.

And also we can't catch a high ball and the line out was terrible.

 

[Where's the beef]

Edmed sucks bring back Lynagh and Donaldson

Yeah maybe, but they are not on tour

 

[stillmissit]

I thought Wilson had more impact than Valetini this game. I'm certainly not making a case to drop either of them, but Rob seems to have gone missing a bit of late plus making more errors, and I'm aware of his niggles so am attributing it to that.

KOB I thought the same thing, but looked at the player review and was surprised to see he led the tackle count.

 

[Joe Blow]

KOB I thought the same thing, but looked at the player review and was surprised to see he led the tackle count.

He was inaccurate a few times throwing lazy passes that went low, also the chuck back after stealing a ball in the maul that just went to no one and put us under more pressure. Coach killers.

 

[stillmissit]

either way - both shocking tenures with us

R Au,, Schmidt is a fine coach, as is Rennie and certainly Deans is. We can't just continue to bag coaches. It is the player quality, attitude and the feeder systems that are stuffed. Super Rugby is in the same boat.
I'm sure there could be more to it, but that is above my pay grade.

 

[Tomthumb]

It's amazing that considering how much these guys have been playing and training together the last 18 months how little cohesion any part of our game has

 

[stillmissit]

He was inaccurate a few times throwing lazy passes that went low, also the chuck back after stealing a ball in the maul that just went to no one and put us under more pressure. Coach killers.

Yeah! that's the stuff I saw too. Is it player attitude that is the problem? There are no players who would bag Schmidt, but is he too soft on our guys? OR most probably has limited options.

 

[Tomthumb]

R Au,, Schmidt is a fine coach, as is Rennie and certainly Deans is. We can't just continue to bag coaches. It is the player quality, attitude and the feeder systems that are stuffed. Super Rugby is in the same boat.
I'm sure there could be more to it, but that is above my pay grade.

Schmidt was a great coach, but his system got stale at the back end of his Irish tenure and he hasn't adapted at all, Rennie started with a hiss and a roar at Super level but his training methods led to the Chiefs consistently having the most injures in Super Rugby, and that continued into Glasgow and the Wallabies. Deans was a good coach, but he had no idea how to coach any other way than Crusader ball

We don't need a coach to teach us their system, we need a coach that can mold a game plan to suit our players strengths. Playing a narrow, tight gameplan with our players is totally counterproductive, square peg round hole stuff

 

[HarryElite]

Im just going to say it, JAS is a winger at this level. I totally understand that the ball doesnt get to him, thats not been an isolated game where he hasnt touched the ball, its probably the last 10 tests he doesnt touch it. Yes the game plan needs to get him involved, but the best players in the world, especially the world class players, go and find a way to get involved in the game and early to give them some momentum.

Ikitau 12, dangunu (FFS it's Daugunu!) 13, jas 14, wright 15 when back, marky will be the long term 11, but throw pietch in there for now. large body, power and aggression and doesnt over complicate his job. oz 7s background so fine under high ball too where he was used as a jumper in a catching pod in 7s.

were terrible at the moment but i think there is so much light at the end of the tunnel with so many quality players still unavailable.

I think a big problem right now is their backrow. bar mcreight, the while backrow seems to be mcwrong. getting nothing from bobby v and wilson.