Sydney Colts - 2014

[CTPE]

What schools are aligned with clubs? Like i.e Scots mostly go to the Wicks!

King's = Eastwood or Uni

 

[Buster]

A thought provoking post from Buster. Have we reached a point where market forces kick in where the up and coming decide that the benefits of exposure in 1st Grade or 1st Colts are more important than the Uni package where they may have to patiently bide their time in lower grades.

HJ, I think this is more a case of an initiative by the states and the ARU, showing signs of working?

 

[Gavin]

I know there is a very close link with the Australian Schoolboys & Syd Uni

Can you actually support this claim by naming all the Australian schoolboys playing for Uni. As Uni have only signed an average of 4 NSW 1st/2nd players per year for the past 10 years, and their team sheets for the past ten years in all colts grades show no more than two Australian Schoolboy players per year, where are they.

If Uni isn't signing any more than 4 NSW schoolboys per year, where are the other 42 players going?

 

[Tah and feathered]

Come on Gavin, you are saying Uni only have about 4 NSW schools players per year. Does this include players who go on and make Aust schools or are they separate?

 

[Hugh Jarse]

OK time to put up and/or shut up.

Which Colts programme ended up with the boys from the NSW schoolboy reps of 2012?

Here they are:

Combined States NSW boys 2012
2. Sam Kitchen (Knox - NSW)
3. Jake Palermo (Holy Spirit - NSW)
4. Connor Vest (Grafton HS - NSW)
6. Sam Croke (Xavier - NSW)
7. Harry Randell (Kings - NSW)
9. Angus Pulver (SHORE - NSW)
11. Matthew Hood (Newington - NSW)
13. Jack Redden (SIC - NSW)
16. Nathan Kelly (SIC - NSW)
19. James Kennelly (TAS - NSW)
21. Sam Gerry-Burgess (SIC - NSW)
23. Adrian DeLore (Whitebridge HS - NSW)

NSW 1 2012
1 Oscar Pryor-Lees Newington College
2 Tom Wilson Barker College
3 Rory O’Connor St Augustine’s College
4 Harry Rorke St Ignatius College
5 Ofiu Manukeu Plumpton High School
6 Jack Dempsey St Ignatius College
7 Jack Johnson Waverley College
8 Mitchell Whiteley St Ignatius College
9 Fabian Natoli St Augustine’s College
10 David Horwitz The Scots College
11 Tanne Milne Newington College
12 Tepai Meoroa Newington College
13 Jim Stewart The Scots College
14 Andrew Kellaway The Scots College
15 Jake McIntyre Alstonville High School
16 Eddie Faigataa Balgowlah High School
17 Tevita Vea Newington College
18 Matthew Sandell St Joseph’s College
19 Karel Lloyd St Augustine’s College
20 Brandon Paenga-Amosa Endeavour Sports High
21 Harry Jenkins Barker College
22 Henry Clunnies-Ross Trinity Grammar School
23 Jonathon Brown St Mary’s Cathedral School

NSW 2 2012
1 Cameron Orr Trinity Grammar School
2 Ben Carolan St Joseph’s College
3 Tomas Robertson St Joseph’s College
4 Matthew Philip St Augustine’s College
5 Fergus Lee-Warner The Kings School
6 Declan O’Donahue St Joseph’s College
7 Tom Murphy St Joseph’s College
8 Albert Hemopo Endeavour Sports High
9 Andrew Ferris The Kings School
10 Corey Tulloch The Kings School
11 Harry Jones The Kings School
12 Liam Creeley Knox Grammar
13 Lalakai Foketi The Kings School
14 Charlie Taylor St Augustine’s College
15 John Porch Farrar MAHS
16 Henry Pedersen Barker College
17 Jake Kay Castle Hill School
18 Faaope Satui Trinity Grammar School
19 Harrison Williams St Aloysius College
20 Jack McCalman The Kings School
21 Joey Lussick Newington College
22 Max Wylie The Kings School
23 Harry Brown Alstonville High School

14 or so returned to School in 2013.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Here's my first pass through the list (with edits as below):


Unaccounted for:
Combined States NSW boys 2012
19. James Kennelly (TAS - NSW)

NSW 1 2012
5 Ofiu Manukeu Plumpton High School

NSW 2 2012
5 Fergus Lee-Warner The Kings School
16 Henry Pedersen Barker College

**********************
Still at school 2013
CS
16. Nathan Kelly (SIC - NSW)
23. Adrian DeLore (Whitebridge HS - NSW)
NSW 1
11 Tanne Milne Newington College - Aust A 2012
12 Tepai Meoroa Newington College - Aust Schoolboy 2012
14 Andrew Kellaway The Scots College - Aust Schoolboy 2012
18 Matthew Sandell St Joseph’s College - Aust Schoolboy 2012
20 Brandon Paenga-Amosa Endeavour Sports High
NSW 2
10 Corey Tulloch The Kings School
11 Harry Jones The Kings School - Aust Schoolboy 2012
14 Charlie Taylor St Augustine’s College
18 Faaope Satui Trinity Grammar School
19 Harrison Williams St Aloysius College
20 Jack McCalman The Kings School - Aust A 2012
21 Joey Lussick Newington College
23 Harry Brown Alstonville High School

Colts Club
Uni
22 Henry Clunnies-Ross Trinity Grammar School
13 Jim Stewart The Scots College - Aust Schoolboy 2012
8 Mitchell Whiteley St Ignatius College - Aust Schoolboy 2012
2 Tom Wilson Barker College - Aust Schoolboy 2012
9. Angus Pulver (SHORE - NSW) - Aust Schoolboy 2012
3 Tomas Robertson St Joseph’s College - Aust Schoolboy 2012
11. Matthew Hood (Newington - NSW)
13. Jack Redden (SIC - NSW)
7. Harry Randell (Kings - NSW)

Manly
2 Ben Carolan St Joseph’s College
3 Rory O’Connor St Augustine’s College
4 Matthew Philip St Augustine’s College - Aust Schoolboy 2012
13 Lalakai Foketi The Kings School - Aust Schoolboy 2012
19 Karel Lloyd St Augustine’s College
9 Fabian Natoli St Augustine’s College - Aust A 2012
16 Eddie Faigataa Balgowlah High School
DNP (injured) Reece Hodge Manly Selective Hich School - Aust Schoolboy 2012

South
1 Cameron Orr Trinity Grammar School - Aust Schoolboy 2012
20 Brandon Paenga-Amosa Endeavour Sports High
8 Albert Hemopo Endeavour Sports High - Aust A 2012
23 Jonathon Brown St Mary’s Cathedral School
3. Jake Palermo (Holy Spirit - NSW)

Randwick
17 Tevita Vea Newington College
10 David Horwitz The Scots College - Aust Schoolboy 2012
7 Jack Johnson Waverley College - Aust A 2012
6 Declan O’Donahue St Joseph’s College

Norths
15 John Porch Farrar MAHS - Aust Schoolboy 2012
2. Sam Kitchen (Knox - NSW)
4. Connor Vest (Grafton HS - NSW)
1 Oscar Pryor-Lees Newington College - Aust A 2012
6. Sam Croke (Xavier - NSW)
21 Harry Jenkins Barker College
17 Jake Kay Castle Hill School - Aust A 2012

Easts
9 Andrew Ferris The Kings School - Aust Schoolboy 2012
22 Max Wylie The Kings School

Gordon
6 Jack Dempsey St Ignatius College - Aust Schoolboy 2012

Eastwood
7 Tom Murphy St Joseph’s College

Brisbane:
15 Jake McIntyre Alstonville High School - Aust Schoolboy 2012

Greco-Roman Rugby
21. Sam Gerry-Burgess (SIC - NSW)
4 Harry Rorke St Ignatius College - Aust Schoolboy 2012

 

[HJ Nelson]

Which Colts programme ended up with the boys from the NSW schoolboy reps of 2012?

Tomas Robertson - Uni
John Porch - Northern Suburbs
Angus Pulver - Uni

 

[Eyes and Ears]

Dempsey - Gordon, Rorke - League, Ferris & Wylie - Easts, I think Pryor-lees is with Norths, I think McIntyre is in Qld, I think Hemopo is with Souths.

 

[The Raging Potato]

Norths
15 John Porch Farrar MAHS
2. Sam Kitchen (Knox - NSW)
4. Connor Vest (Grafton HS - NSW)
1 Oscar Pryor-Lees Newington College
6. Sam Croke (Xavier - NSW)
21 Harry Jenkins Barker College
17 Jake Kay Castle Hill School

 

[Brian Westlake]

Murphy went to Eastwood, O'Donahue was with Randwick at last note as well

 

[The Raging Potato]

7. Harry Randell (Kings - NSW) is UNI

16 Eddie Faigataa Balgowlah High School is Manly

 

[Hugh Jarse]

To judge how successfully a colts programme grows rugby as opposed rugby players, we should perhaps look at the clubs attitude to the battlers (3rd XV and below players from the big rugby schools, 1st XV players from ISA Div 2 Schools, SJRU Opens Club players, players who failed to impress their Schoolboy association representative selectors).

These folk are the future of the rugby economy and represent the fat bit of the rugby pyramid. These guys buy the merch, tickets and foxtel subscriptions. They encourage their sons and daughters to play when they turn 6.

Do our battlers get turned away from Colts programmes because the "books are full" (when they may not be), or are they embraced as a challenge and work in progress?

Do the battlers think that there is a place for them in Shute Shield Colts, or is there a perception that Shute Shield Colts has become too elite, either they head off to Subbies, or stop playing rugby full stop.

 

[It is what it is]

Can you actually support this claim by naming all the Australian schoolboys playing for Uni. As Uni have only signed an average of 4 NSW 1st/2nd players per year for the past 10 years, and their team sheets for the past ten years in all colts grades show no more than two Australian Schoolboy players per year, where are they.

If Uni isn't signing any more than 4 NSW schoolboys per year, where are the other 42 players going?

Gavin, are you out there?
You've made some claims that don't look too solid.

 

[Tah and feathered]

J

Here's my first pass through the list (with edits as below):


Unaccounted for:
Combined States NSW boys 2012
3. Jake Palermo (Holy Spirit - NSW)
19. James Kennelly (TAS - NSW)

NSW 1 2012
5 Ofiu Manukeu Plumpton High School


NSW 2 2012
5 Fergus Lee-Warner The Kings School
16 Henry Pedersen Barker College
23 Harry Brown Alstonville High School
**********************
Still at school 2013
CS
16. Nathan Kelly (SIC - NSW)
23. Adrian DeLore (Whitebridge HS - NSW)
NSW 1
11 Tanne Milne Newington College
12 Tepai Meoroa Newington College
14 Andrew Kellaway The Scots College
18 Matthew Sandell St Joseph’s College
20 Brandon Paenga-Amosa Endeavour Sports High
NSW 2
10 Corey Tulloch The Kings School
11 Harry Jones The Kings School
14 Charlie Taylor St Augustine’s College
18 Faaope Satui Trinity Grammar School
19 Harrison Williams St Aloysius College
20 Jack McCalman The Kings School
21 Joey Lussick Newington College

Colts Club
Uni
22 Henry Clunnies-Ross Trinity Grammar School
13 Jim Stewart The Scots College
8 Mitchell Whiteley St Ignatius College
2 Tom Wilson Barker College
9. Angus Pulver (SHORE - NSW)
3 Tomas Robertson St Joseph’s College
11. Matthew Hood (Newington - NSW)
13. Jack Redden (SIC - NSW)
7. Harry Randell (Kings - NSW)

Manly
2 Ben Carolan St Joseph’s College
3 Rory O’Connor St Augustine’s College
4 Matthew Philip St Augustine’s College
13 Lalakai Foketi The Kings School
19 Karel Lloyd St Augustine’s College
9 Fabian Natoli St Augustine’s College
16 Eddie Faigataa Balgowlah High School

South
1 Cameron Orr Trinity Grammar School
20 Brandon Paenga-Amosa Endeavour Sports High
8 Albert Hemopo Endeavour Sports High
23 Jonathon Brown St Mary’s Cathedral School

Randwick
17 Tevita Vea Newington College
10 David Horwitz The Scots College
7 Jack Johnson Waverley College
6 Declan O’Donahue St Joseph’s College

Norths
15 John Porch Farrar MAHS
2. Sam Kitchen (Knox - NSW)
4. Connor Vest (Grafton HS - NSW)
1 Oscar Pryor-Lees Newington College
6. Sam Croke (Xavier - NSW)
21 Harry Jenkins Barker College
17 Jake Kay Castle Hill School

Easts
9 Andrew Ferris The Kings School
22 Max Wylie The Kings School

Gordon
6 Jack Dempsey St Ignatius College

Eastwood
7 Tom Murphy St Joseph’s College

Brisbane:
15 Jake McIntyre Alstonville High School

Greco-Roman Rugby
21. Sam Gerry-Burgess (SIC - NSW)
4 Harry Rorke St Ignatius College

Jake Palaemo - Souths
Harry Brown still at school
Out of the list of players to clubs how many are locals to the clubs they joined.
How many of the Uni players are other clubs juniors
Alex Barko at Uni played NSW schools 2011

 

[It is what it is]

Can you actually support this claim by naming all the Australian schoolboys playing for Uni. As Uni have only signed an average of 4 NSW 1st/2nd players per year for the past 10 years, and their team sheets for the past ten years in all colts grades show no more than two Australian Schoolboy players per year, where are they.

If Uni isn't signing any more than 4 NSW schoolboys per year, where are the other 42 players going?

Syd Uni had at least 4 2004 Aust Schoolboys play for them in 2005.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

5 of last years NZ Tour Aust Schoolboys at Uni in 2013 including Captain, and Goalkicker.

Edit: Both these young men spent a chunk of the year in Team Rehab.

 

[Tah and feathered]

I think Gavin is getting confused with 2nd colts
They had 3 players in there GF winning side who have played NSW schools plus 1 Aust schools player
1st colts did do it tough with only 7 players who have played NSW schools and the token Aust schools player
I would think most clubs would be ecstatic if they got 2 or3 NSW schools players.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Bear in mind that some kids get 2 years in Colts, and there will be residue from 2011 Aust Schoolboys, 2011 NSW Schoolboys I & II still knocking around in Colts in 2013 at some clubs.

Not all are fast tracked into Grade after only 1 Colts season.

Looking at the numbers of 2012 rep players and where they went this season it is of little surprise that Wicks, Norths, Manly and Uni were at the top of Colts 1 table.

I do believe that some of these kids missed out on a fair amount of the season through injury, and in Horwitz case, did not play colts at all.

Natoli and Stewart also had cameos in 1st grade for their clubs.

 

[Tah and feathered]

Norths and Randwick finished 3rd and 4th in the regular season table but Warringah and Souths knocked both clubs out of the finals and I think this shows that Warringah and Souths struggled with depth during the regular season but were able to get close to the best 15 on the field when it mattered and I think Warringah beat Randwick 2 out of the 3 times they played and same with Souths over Norths but in the end Uni and Manly were the 2 best sides.
Can't wait for next years colts as it could be a great comp in 2014

 

[Gavin]

I repeat, there are 46 players each year who represent at 1st and 2nds NSW schoolboys. Most are eligable for 2 years in colts. That makes 92 players.

Manly and Norths aren't far behind SU in their signings, and they happen to be two of three clubs that have introduced an "elite development programme" in the last two years. It's no coincidence that the clubs who have decided to emulate S.U. have seen significant improvement in their performances while those that have bitched and complained the most have been languishing.