Rebels 2014

[Dave Beat]

Since this is a Rebels thread, I'd like to ask some Rebels questions...

In what cities did Rebels players play in Aug/Sep last year?

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Hmmmm, and you could possibly add a couple more as well now.

 

[en_force_er]

If I'm a player living in Melbourne and paying rent in Melbourne, etc. I'm probably not going to be much of a fan of it.

They all do it anyway for the Shute Shield and the best part is we'll see the non-match day Rebels playing finals in the Dewar Shield rather than going to Sydney to stake a claim for a Super Rugby spot next season.

Many of the Rebels are from Sydney and I'm sure a month or two of sleeping on a fold out bed in a parent or mate's house is a small sacrifice to make considering it will be a massive win for the development of local Victorian rugby.

The players get a working holiday back home, the Rebels get a chance to actually start filtering Victorians into the EPS on more than just training/park rugby form. Win-win.

 

[Tomikin]

They all do it anyway for the Shute Shield and the best part is we'll see the non-match day Rebels playing finals in the Dewar Shield rather than going to Sydney to stake a claim for a Super Rugby spot next season.

Many of the Rebels are from Sydney and I'm sure a month or two of sleeping on a fold out bed in a parent or mate's house is a small sacrifice to make considering it will be a massive win for the development of local Victorian rugby.

The players get a working holiday back home, the Rebels get a chance to actually start filtering Victorians into the EPS on more than just training/park rugby form. Win-win.

Maybe if the NRC team wants them they fix up the bill hire an apartment throw in the 4 - 5 rings ins. Can't cost too much.. if you want the talent.

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[Dave Beat]

Maybe if the NRC team wants them they fix up the bill hire an apartment throw in the 4 - 5 rings ins. Can't cost too much.. if you want the talent.

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Or Rebs / Force reimburse part of their ARU Funding they receive that will flow down and no doubt assist them field an NRC team. Sorry, that was being a smart arse - but seriously all parties need to be on board and we should all be rooting for strong teams playing quality rugby.

I like the idea of Force and Rebs getting to retain and field their starting 15 and the bench / training squad being development. That team will more than holds its own.

 

[RugbyReg]

yeah, I'd much prefer to spread the wealth in the competition. As much as possible we want the best 150 players starting each week (discounting Wallabies of course)

 

[GaffaCHinO]

Or Rebs / Force reimburse part of their ARU Funding they receive that will flow down and no doubt assist them field an NRC team. Sorry, that was being a smart arse - but seriously all parties need to be on board and we should all be rooting for strong teams playing quality rugby.

I like the idea of Force and Rebs getting to retain and field their starting 15 and the bench / training squad being development. That team will more than holds its own.

yeah rugby WA can give back some of the 200k they get from the ARU because they get so much...

 

[kiap]

Or Rebs / Force reimburse part of their ARU Funding they receive that will flow down and no doubt assist them field an NRC team. Sorry, that was being a smart arse - but seriously all parties need to be on board and we should all be rooting for strong teams playing quality rugby.

Good joke, but yeah, we do need to spread the playing wealth.

I like the idea of Force and Rebs getting to retain and field their starting 15 and the bench / training squad being development. That team will more than holds its own.

I don't even agree with Melbourne and Perth fielding full-strength Super First XVs in this NRC comp. That's not what it's about. This new 3rd-tier is supposed to bridge the gap between Club and Super rugby, and develop the good emerging players by mixing them with-and-against good existing super players.

With 5 Super squads and (it looks like) a proposed 10 team NRC, each 3rd-tier side should be roughly half-strength Super First XVs, with bench/squad/club players stepping up to fill the breach. On the supply side, roughly guesstimating for the first year, Brumbies/Reds/Tahs would have 6-10 players each taken out out of the mix (in the Wallabies and/or Team Rehab), and the Rebels/Force maybe 3-5.

Rebels: the Melbourne NRC side would get 18 players from the Rebels (some -not all- with Shute Shield links go north) with the rest made up of local Academy/Melbourne club players.

Force: - similar to the above - the Perth NRC side would get 18 players from the Force (others going on an east-coast rugby vacation) with the rest of the squad made up of local Academy/Perth club players.

Brumbies: the Canberra NRC side would get 18 players from the Brumbies (selected others going on a 3 hour drive) and the rest of the squad made up of local Academy/John_I_Dent club players.

Reds: - Qld will be fairly self-contained - the Brisbane/Gold Coast sides would get around 10-12 players each from the Reds (roughly even split) and most of the rest from Reds College/Qld Clubs.

Waratahs: - will be scattered to the winds - the 4xSydney/1xCountry sides would get something like 4 or 5 players each from the Tahs. The rest of those squads will be made up of inter-state Super players and NSW Academy/local club players.

 

[Dave Beat]

Good joke, but yeah, we do need to spread the playing wealth.


I don't even agree with Melbourne and Perth fielding full-strength Super First XVs in this ARC comp. That's not what it's about. This new 3rd-tier is supposed to bridge the gap between Club and Super rugby, and develop the good emerging players by mixing them with-and-against good existing super players.

With 5 Super squads and (it looks like) a proposed 10 team ARC, each 3rd-tier side should be roughly half-strength Super First XVs, with bench/squad/club players stepping up to fill the breach. On the supply side, roughly guesstimating for the first year, Brumbies/Reds/Tahs would have 6-10 players each taken out out of the mix (in the Wallabies and/or Team Rehab), and the Rebels/Force maybe 3-5.

Rebels: the Melbourne ARC club would get 18 players from the Rebels (others with Shute Shute links go north) with the rest of the Melbourne club made up of local Academy/club players.

Force: - similar to the above - the Perth side would get 18 players from the Force (others going on an east-coast rugby vacation) with the rest of the squad made up of local Academy/Perth club players.

Brumbies: the Canberra club would get 18 players from the Brumbies (selected others going on a 3 hour drive) and the rest of the squad made up of local Academy/Perth club players.

Reds: - Qld will be fairly self-contained - the Brisbane/Gold Coast sides would get around 10 players each from the Reds (roughly even split) and most of the rest from Reds College/Qld Clubs.

Waratahs: - will be scattered to the winds - the 4xSydney/1xCountry sides would get something like 5 players each from the Tahs. The rest of those squads will be made up of inter-state Super players and NSW Academy/local club players.

Pretty much agree on most of your points, my concern with NSW though;

• How many Tahs are left after Wallabies and Uni are taken away. Bare in mind I dont think there are many Uni players in the Wallaby squad.
• Randwick - i dont think they should be allowed to stand alone. I didn't think financially they would meet requirements? How did they go on the paddock last year? UNI V Randwick not even worth trying to compare. This has me thinking, ARU assistance, will ARU insist Tahs push players Randwicks way - Chieka will no doubt support this.

Randwick shouldn't be allowed to stand alone, other clubs are far more advanced in structure and player strength, and are in JV discussions for the good of the comp.

 

[kiap]

Pretty much agree on most of your fronts, my concern with NSW though;

Maybe I should re-post on another thread, and we can carry on there.

It started out here as an "effect on the Melbourne Rebels" question, which was fair enough, but we should probably let the Rebels have their thread back.

Okay, I've started a new thread.

 

[Jimmy C]

It started out here as an "effect on the Melbourne Rebels" question, which was fair enough, but we should probably let the Rebels have their thread back.

Thanks kiap.

So what is everyone expecting from tonight's game?
Personally I'm looking forward to seeing if our forwards continue their good form from last weekend.
And can someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but did I hear correctly that we made 16 turnovers against the Tahs? If so, more of that please!

 

[Mr Wobbly]

So what is everyone expecting from tonight's game?
Personally I'm looking forward to seeing if our forwards continue their good form from last weekend.
And can someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but did I hear correctly that we made 16 turnovers against the Tahs? If so, more of that please!

IIRC at last year's Geelong trial there were 14 tries scored. That was pretty exciting and all but I'd like to see a tighter game this time. If they can make 16 turnovers against the 'Canes that would be awesome, but only if we don't concede 18 of our own

 

[en_force_er]

I don't even agree with Melbourne and Perth fielding full-strength Super First XVs in this NRC comp. That's not what it's about. This new 3rd-tier is supposed to bridge the gap between Club and Super rugby, and develop the good emerging players by mixing them with-and-against good existing super players.

I don't think that'll be an issue.

Let's say after test selections and redistribution the Rebels are left with 15-18 Super Rugby players in their NPC squad, as you've said.

• 2 or 3 will be oldies, or at least have some miles of their bodies that will require some rest for part or all of the NPC.
• Another couple will have injuries that need some mending for the following season. They can play, but is it really worth sacrificing the first couple of rounds of the Super Rugby season for the NPC when you need your shoulder cleaned up?
• Some will get hurt during the duration of the NPC and will be replaced with locals.
• For the Rebels and the Force a couple are foreigners and will probably want to go back home for family or even local NPC comps. I doubt the ARU can hold these guys to anything.

This leaves maybe 10 Super Rugby players available every week of the NPC. Of those 10 at least half will not have gotten much or any actually time on the field during the Super Rugby season and need the time as much as any club player.

Anyway, just my two cents.

 

[TOCC]

[*]For the Rebels and the Force a couple are foreigners and will probably want to go back home for family or even local NPC comps. I doubt the ARU can hold these guys to anything.
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I don't think any player who is contracted to an Australian Super Rugby team should be allowed to go play a competition in another country when this comp is running..

 

[GaffaCHinO]

I don't think any player who is contracted to an Australian Super Rugby team should be allowed to go play a competition in another country when this comp is running..

Well the development players can't leave for a start or we will have another speight like situation.


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[en_force_er]

I don't think any player who is contracted to an Australian Super Rugby team should be allowed to go play a competition in another country when this comp is running..

If you're Timati Ellison and you can never play for the Wallabies I'm perfectly happy to make your salary someone else's problem for a couple of months of the year.

This NPC is a development tool and whilst it's a tough argument of 'do you get more from having a young Aussie centre playing Ellison or having a young Aussie centre fill Ellisons jersey?' what sets it over the line for me is the fact that he costs money for that period, probably a lot of it.

As for the Saffas in WA that can still get Aussie qualification, I see your point.

 

[Tackennut]

I'm on the ferry from Sorento to Queenscliff to see the game I'll be a couple minutes late but will post updates if anyone is interested

Pete

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[Bairdy]

I'm on the ferry from Sorento to Queenscliff to see the game I'll be a couple minutes late but will post updates if anyone is interested

Pete

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Much appreciated, Pete

 

[oztimmay]

Rebels win 24 - 22. Good solid hitout. Impressed with the defensive play all night. Pleasure to watch.

 

[Jimmy C]

I'm getting tingles down my arms (and I'm pretty sure its not a heart attack) but wow has our scrum improved! From being just the other 8 guys for teams to push around, and now by the looks of it, we have 8 guys that will hurt you if given the chance.
I seriously didn't think I'd would be saying it this season, but could our forward pack actually be our strength this season?

 

[KevinO]

Max and Toby are animals, very excited. Jones was awesome.

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