NRC onwards and upwards

[Inside Shoulder]

We were going backwards before that happened.... and club rugby is not an adequate substitute for a third tier competition.

The decline has been accelerated.
Why is the third tier the only feature of the NZ game game we seek to adopt?
Why don't we adopt their ability to develop left foot kickers, 10s, 15s front rowers instead of converted backrowers, coaches, supporters etc etc

 

[dru]

edit : remove the odd double quote.

QPR Clubs don't get funding from the ARU.

Any from QPR, Reg?

 

[kiap]

As is your right, for now

Now and always

 

[amirite]

Presumably the 7s players are paid.
The numbers and quality are not there.
But you go ahead and start a pro comp without any underpinning. Thats a tried and true ARU view.
What the fuck is a meaningful experience in this context? Poetry at half time?
Most, nearly all, male rugby players or their parents shell out for the privilege of playing - a few don't: your dream seems to be to have all women paid, no amateur comp and Melbourne and Perth playing at Brookvale Oval against 7 Marlins.
Good luck with that.

That's a tad bit of a strawman mate, I didn't say any of those things.

I just want a women's national comp beyond the 3-dayer they currently play. Not a ridiculous ask.

You can keep shadow boxing, but your hatred of women's sport is a bit strange. No, it'll never reach the same standard as mens but more rugby is a good thing.

Oh, and the women's 7s are fully professional (at least the main squad). Not well paid, but enough.

 

[TOCC]

Scrap NRC.
Put money into juniors and clubs.
Since we stopped doing that we have gone seriously backwards.

Money for the NRC wasn't taken from the juniors, it comes from Foxtel and formerly Buildcorp, you can't seriously believe that the NRC has stolen all the juniors money when ARU money has been wasted on so many other areas over the past 20 years. Foxtel aren't paying to broadcast a development office run a competiton at Eastwood, you could cancel the NRC but that doesn't translate to a last injection into juniors, quite simply, that money would be removed from the ARU's bottom line.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Money for the NRC wasn't taken from the juniors, it comes from Foxtel and formerly Buildcorp, you can't seriously believe that the NRC has stolen all the juniors money when ARU money has been wasted on so many other areas over the past 20 years. Foxtel aren't paying to broadcast a development office run a competiton at Eastwood, you could cancel the NRC but that doesn't translate to a last injection into juniors, quite simply, that money would be removed from the ARU's bottom line.

Sorry - can you identify where I used the word stolen or raised any connotation consistent with that word? or
Where I suggested any causal or other connection between the cost of the NRC and the withdrawal of funding by the ARU?
The withdrawal of funding by the ARU (and the attitude of posters to the Shute Shield) is borne of ignorance (possibly wilful) as to the role played by that competition (and the Brisbane equivalent) in providing players to the game over decades and, thereby, permitting the current crop to receive pretty good money for what Cheika has said they would otherwise do for nothing.

 

[kiap]

Where I suggested any causal or other connection between the cost of the NRC and the withdrawal of funding by the ARU?

So there's no connection.

Good news.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

That's a tad bit of a strawman mate, I didn't say any of those things.

I just want a women's national comp beyond the 3-dayer they currently play. Not a ridiculous ask.

You can keep shadow boxing, but your hatred of women's sport is a bit strange. No, it'll never reach the same standard as mens but more rugby is a good thing.

Oh, and the women's 7s are fully professional (at least the main squad). Not well paid, but enough.

I don't give a shit one way or the other about women's sport - I have a choice to watch it or not.

Rugby success is built from the ground up.
Good luck trying to do it any other way whatever gender you are talking about.

 

[Rugbynutter39]

Scrap NRC.
Put money into juniors and clubs.
Since we stopped doing that we have gone seriously backwards.

If another national semi pro comp ready to replace nrc sure scrap it but otherwise why on earth would you do that as read all the super rugby threads and people wanting a national domestic pro comp. At this point the nrc is only thing remotely providing such a concept!

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[Inside Shoulder]

If another national semi pro comp ready to replace nrc sure scrap it but otherwise why on earth would you do that as read all the super rugby threads and people wanting a national domestic pro comp. At this point the nrc is only thing remotely providing such a concept!

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My interpretation is that the posters on here (a tiny proportion of rugby fans let alone sports viewers) think the uninitiated public would be more likely to watch an essentially domestic comp than supe.
No evidence - surveys etc - is cited in support. Si, it's at best a hunch and at worst an assumption.
The NRC is the trial of a national domestic comp: it does not appear to me that it has been successful in recruiting fans on TV or at the ground.
Therefore such evidence as there is does not suggest a domestic pro comp will arrest declining interest in the game.
If we detach from NZ and, to a much lesser extent, SA we risk becoming an anachronistic backwater - the North Korea of rugby without any missiles.
We have to suck it up in the short term, rebuild the base - leaving the private schools to do their thing - and leverage off the comparative popularity of the city grade club comps.
These comps and their better resourced successors are the only viable way to provide hard week in week out competition by which to sort the players.
I was a fan of the NRC initially but I have come to realise that it's substantial mirroring of the NPC cannot work here because of the size of the country and the lack of strong rugby provinces densely populated with rugby players and fans.

 

[Quick Hands]

QPR Clubs don't get funding from the ARU.

Nor do Sydney clubs.

 

[TOCC]

Sorry - can you identify where I used the word stolen or raised any connotation consistent with that word? or
Where I suggested any causal or other connection between the cost of the NRC and the withdrawal of funding by the ARU?
The withdrawal of funding by the ARU (and the attitude of posters to the Shute Shield) is borne of ignorance (possibly wilful) as to the role played by that competition (and the Brisbane equivalent) in providing players to the game over decades and, thereby, permitting the current crop to receive pretty good money for what Cheika has said they would otherwise do for nothing.

Yep, so the NRC isn't the issue then... and cancelling the NRC wouldn't see the funds from Foxtel passed onto Grassroots because they aren't paying to broadcast juniors rugby

 

[TOCC]

My interpretation is that the posters on here (a tiny proportion of rugby fans let alone sports viewers) think the uninitiated public would be more likely to watch an essentially domestic comp than supe.
No evidence - surveys etc - is cited in support. Si, it's at best a hunch and at worst an assumption.
The NRC is the trial of a national domestic comp: it does not appear to me that it has been successful in recruiting fans on TV or at the ground.
Therefore such evidence as there is does not suggest a domestic pro comp will arrest declining interest in the game.
If we detach from NZ and, to a much lesser extent, SA we risk becoming an anachronistic backwater - the North Korea of rugby without any missiles.
We have to suck it up in the short term, rebuild the base - leaving the private schools to do their thing - and leverage off the comparative popularity of the city grade club comps.
These comps and their better resourced successors are the only viable way to provide hard week in week out competition by which to sort the players.
I was a fan of the NRC initially but I have come to realise that it's substantial mirroring of the NPC cannot work here because of the size of the country and the lack of strong rugby provinces densely populated with rugby players and fans.

Sure it's not perfect, but simply canning it doesn't achieve shit.. and broaden your horizon here and consider the effect of cancelling it on all the players outside of Sydney as well and the wider impact that has on Australian Rugby.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Sure it's not perfect, but simply canning it doesn't achieve shit.. and broaden your horizon here and consider the effect of cancelling it on all the players outside of Sydney as well and the wider impact that has on Australian Rugby.

This an existential problem.
To reverse the current trajectory we need to stop weakening our strengths in the hope of hiding our weaknesses.
Besides the grass roots i want to see fostered are not only in NSW and QLD.

 

[TOCC]

This an existential problem.
To reverse the current trajectory we need to stop weakening our strengths in the hope of hiding our weaknesses.
Besides the grass roots i want to see fostered are not only in NSW and QLD.

Right, so how is the NRC weakening our strengths?

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Right, so how is the NRC weakening our strengths?

By having us (the working poor) subsidise the pro game

 

[TOCC]

By having us (the working poor) subsidise the pro game

Is this actually true, we(the working poor) aren't subsidising it, NRC's operating costs are covered by the broadcast agreement, and if you remove the NRC then the funding from the broadcast agreement ceases to exist, so whats the point?

SS clubs were asked for an initial $25,000 participation fee, which was repaid last year, and under the new broadcast agreement Foxtel plus Buildcorp sponsorship covered the operating costs and the NRC operating costs broke even.

So, with Buildcorp pulling out, there is a $200,000 shortfall, which lets assume worst case scenario and the ARU can't find a new sponsor, that $200,000 represents 0.16% of the ARU's annual revenue.

 

[I like to watch]

Why do you infer the ARU will step in with the $200k?
from inception,they have ensured that any costs of this competition are not their responsibility.

 

[TOCC]

Maybe they wont, maybe it's $22k in grants which each team wont receive if they can't find a replacement sponsor.

Is this $200k figure which only emerged this week really the issue you hold with the competition though, is there really no tangible benefit from the NRC? Cancelling the competition over $200,000 denies revenue of $1.5million from Foxtel for the broadcast rights, thats $1.5million that is spent on players development from a broadcaster which wont be replaced if the competition is scrapped.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

, is there really no tangible benefit from the NRC?

What do you think is/are the benefit(s)?