Derpus
George Gregan (70)
We do have a hard-on for taking the worst option at every opportunity.
Australian Rugby / RA
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The Ghost of Raelene
Andrew Slack (58)
Starting to think its the excessive concussions people took in their Club days catching up.
noscrumnolife
Jimmy Flynn (14)
The Herald's coverage of Rugby Union is starting to tip over to absurd. No one with any even mild understanding of the games problems in this country would think our issues will be solved by sacking Eddie. I'm not entering a discussion of whether that's the right or wrong thing to do, but it is not the starting point for what needs to be change. We have many more structural issues that require our attention. To run that position as an editorial betrays their lack of interest for the game, and interest in stoking further and further negative attention about the code.
An article like this is pointedly ludicrous: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-...cat-and-mouse-with-media-20231017-p5ecz8.html
No part of it involves any legitimate criticism of Jones. It is a bizarre pseudo psycho-analysis body-language piece that should not be taken seriously. Look past the sentiment and the headline (which are often reasonable and you'd be in your rights to agree with) and read the substance of many of their pieces. It is not serious journalism. This forum is full of much more balanced, considered and effective writing.
None of this comment is to be read as to suggest the point behind the commentary (that Jones has done a poor job) is invalid. But the words used to get that point across are just not serious.
An article like this is pointedly ludicrous: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-...cat-and-mouse-with-media-20231017-p5ecz8.html
No part of it involves any legitimate criticism of Jones. It is a bizarre pseudo psycho-analysis body-language piece that should not be taken seriously. Look past the sentiment and the headline (which are often reasonable and you'd be in your rights to agree with) and read the substance of many of their pieces. It is not serious journalism. This forum is full of much more balanced, considered and effective writing.
None of this comment is to be read as to suggest the point behind the commentary (that Jones has done a poor job) is invalid. But the words used to get that point across are just not serious.
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Slim 293
Stirling Mortlock (74)
Nah, Eddie created this mess and now he has to endure it…
noscrumnolife
Jimmy Flynn (14)
Yep, but there are plenty of reasonable ways to put him in the shit that don't involve bitter commentary which equates to personal attacks. The Roar Rookies are covering this saga far more effectively and impressively than 9 media's professional journalists. That is what frustrates me.
Ignoto
Greg Davis (50)
Look at it another way. Multiple outlets have confirmed it and the Herald are doubling down, so they're obviously confident they have something here.
With Eddie being so coy, it calls in the question the Journos integrity. I too would get shitty with someone if I had evidence to prove what I was saying was the truth.
In any event, Eddie has had plenty of chances to change the narrative to be more in his favour and he's constantly failed to do it.
If Eddie didn't make a rod out of his own back last year at that fan, I'd almost give him the benefit of the doubt. Plus, he did something similar when he joined England rugby didn't he?
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
No…
Their job is to hold people to account, and not act like sycophants in exchange for team selection scoops.
It doesn’t help when Eddie has acted hostile towards them and, at least in their eyes, continued to lie and avoid addressing certain questions.
Tomthumb
Colin Windon (37)
That's great, but why didn't they ever hold the previous coaching staff to account?
And it also doesn't help when journalists try and be pundits and give their opinions on everything, and then want to be viewed as impartial
noscrumnolife
Jimmy Flynn (14)
Yes and they can hold him to account without resorting to personal attacks. At no point have I suggested they don't criticise Eddie. I take issue with their focus on personality over substance. Their writing is all opinion, all the time. Good reporting also involves taking a balanced look and trying to provide insight into what he is attempting to do. This has never been attempted.
Slim 293
Stirling Mortlock (74)
I think you’re the only one taking it personally…
Slim 293
Stirling Mortlock (74)
I would imagine that would involve giving up sources… not going to happen.
Rugrat
Darby Loudon (17)
I am so sick of hearing how the very survival and success of our sport rugby is determined by how the wallabies go at the World Cup. If that's our administrators and national coaches key strategy to fix Rugby it is wrong plain and simple. France and Ireland just got kicked out in the quarter final. Both teams have been building for 4 years, Ireland who operate under the much discussed and benchmarked centralized system lost in the quarters. France who has the richest club system in world rugby lost in the quarters. Am I getting thru to you all yet. Coaches such as Eddie who run the line of 4 years planning and it takes 6 years to build a world cup team are full of shit and sprout this to make like they are in control of the situation and serve their own personal agenda. Continuity by only selecting players from Super rugby is shown to be bullshit by the performance of South Africa who select their squad from the best available players regardless of where they play their club rugby. 9 months wasnt enough time for Eddie, bullshit, the Coach of Fiji made the Q finals with less time than Eddie and a lot less resources. Borthwick only had 6 weeks more than Eddie and England are in Semi Finals.
Rant over, could go on forever but basically every time Eddie or anyone in Australian rugby argues for centralization or reduce Super teams to fix our wallaby issues and to help win the World cup, are simply expressing that view for their own agenda. There is zero proof to support it.
Rant over, could go on forever but basically every time Eddie or anyone in Australian rugby argues for centralization or reduce Super teams to fix our wallaby issues and to help win the World cup, are simply expressing that view for their own agenda. There is zero proof to support it.
Slim 293
Stirling Mortlock (74)
Really? You don’t think they did?
Tomthumb
Colin Windon (37)
Comparatively not at all. There was no heat on Rennie when Taylor and Wisemantel picked up stumps out of nowhere, he was never grilled as to why James O'Connor went from starting to out of a 31 man squad within 2 days
There is a huge undertone of personal vitriol with most of this commentary around Jones
noscrumnolife
Jimmy Flynn (14)
Perhaps. But I am an anonymous nobody bludging off work to comment on online forums. They are professional journalists paid to write for a living.
The Ghost of Raelene
Andrew Slack (58)
Yep. Think it was two weeks later he was goooone.
He's done this to himself. Trying to be apologetic about the airport presser and how he should have given himself an upper cut felt like a kid trying to own the minor fuck ups to soften the attack on the major ones.
Discipline, selection, a flawed system: Why the Wallabies have been so poor
Discipline, selection, a flawed system: Why the Wallabies have been so poor
Dave Rennie is under fire after Australia slumped to their eighth loss this season. What has gone wrong for the Wallabies this season?
It's also a very different situation now. Rennie had a year to go on his contract and it was widely considered that there was no prospect on him getting extended beyond that.
2020 was a weird year with COVID, 2021 was reasonable in that we beat France 2-1, beat South Africa and Argentina twice and finished the year with 7 wins out of 14 games.
2022 was where things went pear shaped and we won 5 out of 14 games including losing the series to England, getting flogged by Argentina and losing to Italy.
Eddie Jones talked up how well we might go to pretty outrageous lengths, made some pretty bizarre selection decisions and achieved absolutely putrid results. He's also 1 year into a 5 year contract. It shouldn't be any surprise that the media reaction to Eddie Jones right now is very different to what it was like for Rennie.
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
I’m pretty certain he was questioned about JOC (James O'Connor), a player who played poorly and as Rennie explained failed to fulfill his duties, and then was replaced by non-controversial options, and then not even considered by Eddie…
Not exactly a comparable example.